[LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] merge: add OpenWrt branding

Zoltan HERPAI wigyori at uid0.hu
Tue Oct 24 15:21:27 PDT 2017

Hi Hauke,

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:

> On 10/24/2017 09:47 PM, Hans Dedecker wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathias Kresin <dev at kresin.me> wrote:
>>> 2017-10-24 16:59 GMT+02:00 Zoltan HERPAI <wigyori at uid0.hu>:
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Imre Kaloz <kaloz at openwrt.org>
>>>>> Given the fact that we explicitely wanted to avoid @openwrt.org mails
>>>>> and that this was one of the discussion points leading to the split I
>>>>> find it delicate to seal the merging commit with exactly such a S-o-b.
>>>>> Combined with ...
>>>>>  $ git log --author "Imre Kaloz <kaloz at openwrt.org>" --format=%cD -1
>>>>>  Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:42:06 +0200
>>>>> ... this looks to me like nothing was learned from past experiences and
>>>>> that all that matters here is having the own name attached to the work
>>>>> being done.
>>>> LEDE does have patches in the tree s-o-b-ed and accepted like this dated
>>>> January '17. (f24ffb901e0408917748773b883841eca52eea05)
>>>> "*) email accounts
>>>> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
>>>> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
>>>> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
>>>> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
>>>> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their
>>>> accounts
>>>> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business,
>>>> consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
>>>> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark
>>>> policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes"
>>>> In my view, this is FOSS purpose rather than anything else.
>>> Can't we just find some kind of gentleman/ladies agreement to not use
>>> the mail addresses in public? I mean, I never got why these three
>>> people insists on using their mail addresses for anything other than
>>> receiving mail/as a forwarder.
>>> As soon as someone starts to use a @openwrt.org mail address,
>>> basically all other are forced to do so as well. Otherwise the way it
>>> comes across is N @openwrt.org core devs + X people committing as
>>> well. Which I'm quite sure is what nobody wants to see.
>>> my two cents
>>> Mathias
>> I agree with Mathias can't we find a better consensus on the usage of
>> the openwrt mail address ?
>> Now it looks like 3 people officially represent the project next to
>> the other developers; this will only cause friction in the future.
>> Hans
> I agree with Mathias and Hans, I also do not like this and this looks
> like some are more equal than others to outsiders.
> I have no problem when the mails are getting forward to the old user of
> the address, so that people who send a mail to some @openwrt.org address
> still reach the correct person, this can also stay activate forever when
> someone wants to maintain the service. The @openwrt.org addresses should
> not be used in communication, especially when it is related to OpenWrt,
> this includes S-o-b lines, copyright lines and outgoing communication.

Getting a consensus is one thing, arguing against what was voted on is 
another. I don't think that anyone wants to misrepresent the project or 
cause friction of any kind - such behaviour would be beyond 
professionalism, and these things were discussed in detail in the remerge 
proposals -, especially when the Reboot has achieved a lot of things, and 
we should look into the future.

Having said all that, currently I can only create a v2 of this patch with 
the fixes asked/proposed.


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