[LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] merge: add OpenWrt branding

por at oranjevos.nl por at oranjevos.nl
Tue Oct 24 16:49:00 PDT 2017

> Op 25 okt. 2017, om 00:21 heeft Zoltan HERPAI <wigyori at uid0.hu> het volgende geschreven:
> Hi Hauke,
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
>> On 10/24/2017 09:47 PM, Hans Dedecker wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathias Kresin <dev at kresin.me> wrote:
>>>> 2017-10-24 16:59 GMT+02:00 Zoltan HERPAI <wigyori at uid0.hu>:
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Imre Kaloz <kaloz at openwrt.org>
>>>>>> Given the fact that we explicitely wanted to avoid @openwrt.org mails
>>>>>> and that this was one of the discussion points leading to the split I
>>>>>> find it delicate to seal the merging commit with exactly such a S-o-b.
>>>>>> Combined with ...
>>>>>> $ git log --author "Imre Kaloz <kaloz at openwrt.org>" --format=%cD -1
>>>>>> Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:42:06 +0200
>>>>>> ... this looks to me like nothing was learned from past experiences and
>>>>>> that all that matters here is having the own name attached to the work
>>>>>> being done.
>>>>> LEDE does have patches in the tree s-o-b-ed and accepted like this dated
>>>>> January '17. (f24ffb901e0408917748773b883841eca52eea05)
>>>>> "*) email accounts
>>>>> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
>>>>> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
>>>>> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
>>>>> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
>>>>> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their
>>>>> accounts
>>>>> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business,
>>>>> consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
>>>>> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark
>>>>> policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes"
>>>>> In my view, this is FOSS purpose rather than anything else.
>>>> Can't we just find some kind of gentleman/ladies agreement to not use
>>>> the mail addresses in public? I mean, I never got why these three
>>>> people insists on using their mail addresses for anything other than
>>>> receiving mail/as a forwarder.
>>>> As soon as someone starts to use a @openwrt.org mail address,
>>>> basically all other are forced to do so as well. Otherwise the way it
>>>> comes across is N @openwrt.org core devs + X people committing as
>>>> well. Which I'm quite sure is what nobody wants to see.
>>>> my two cents
>>>> Mathias
>>> I agree with Mathias can't we find a better consensus on the usage of
>>> the openwrt mail address ?
>>> Now it looks like 3 people officially represent the project next to
>>> the other developers; this will only cause friction in the future.
>>> Hans
>> I agree with Mathias and Hans, I also do not like this and this looks
>> like some are more equal than others to outsiders.
>> I have no problem when the mails are getting forward to the old user of
>> the address, so that people who send a mail to some @openwrt.org address
>> still reach the correct person, this can also stay activate forever when
>> someone wants to maintain the service. The @openwrt.org addresses should
>> not be used in communication, especially when it is related to OpenWrt,
>> this includes S-o-b lines, copyright lines and outgoing communication.
> Getting a consensus is one thing, arguing against what was voted on is another. I don't think that anyone wants to misrepresent the project or cause friction of any kind - such behaviour would be beyond professionalism, and these things were discussed in detail in the remerge proposals -, especially when the Reboot has achieved a lot of things, and we should look into the future.
> Having said all that, currently I can only create a v2 of this patch with the fixes asked/proposed.
> Regards,
> -w-

One remarks. That "what was voted on" now seems to be interpreted differently.
Having regard for the spirit and the purposes of the rules that were agreed on (remerge proposal v3), should make it clear that usage of openwrt mail addresses to identify persons is unwanted. Any exegese of those rules that would lead to a different conclusion counters the idea that all are equal and does not show good faith.

Please leave out the booze and good luck with the remerge,

For obvious reason I removed "OpenWrt Internal Developer List <openwrt-hackers at lists.openwrt.org>" from the CC list.

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