Hello World...

[Nic Siddle]

The rules as set out (however absurd) are quite clear - you need a TV 
license to watch programmes as they are being shown on TV but not if 
they are time shifted (e.g. in i-Player or with a tape recorder). That 
license also allows you to record said programmes by any means. You do 
not need a license for a TV or any other device if you never watch stuff 
a/s it is being shown/ on TV.

There is nothing in the rules (which clearly pre-date catch up services) 
about recording when something is not being shown on TV. But, what is 
not addressed at all is recording whilst programmes are not being shown. 
Such recording is therefore not in breach of TV licensing conditions per 
se. But such a lack of the breach does not necessarily cover copyright 
issues. In reality, it is unlikely that the BBC is going to come down on 
anyone simply using i-Player to time shift for their own personal use. 
But they would be well within their rights (and duty?) to pursue anyone 
using it for commercial purposes or even distribution amongst friends.

Use of i-Player is conditional on acceptance of their T&Cs. These state 
'1.1 "BBC iPlayer" is a BBC Online Service made available by the BBC to 
enable you to access, view and/or listen to BBC Content or, if your 
device permits, download BBC Content either using the BBC iPlayer 
Download Application or directly from bbc.co.uk/iplayer 
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/>.'. In other words, use of i-Player 
demands agreement to use their software and to their terms - which 
include the automatic expiry of content. Technically therefore, use of 
get i-Player is in breach of their terms.

Having panicked at the recent loss of get i-player and having been so 
relieved at its restoration (thanks DP and others), I for one would be 
reluctant to make too much of a public fuss. Essentially, get i-Player 
needs to stay sufficiently below the radar to be tolerated rather than 
starting a big public hoo-hah which might lead to a change in TV licence 
conditions.

Nic

On 05/11/2014 17:43, Dirk Husemann wrote:
> hmm, not that irrelevant: it states that the license gives you the
> permission to watch and record TV programmes using pretty much anything
> that is capable of doing so and regardless of the process how you
> receive the content - there might be other laws that grant you similar
> rights, sure.
>
> On 2014-11-05 17:31, Alan Milewczyk wrote:
>> Sorry but you've posted a totally irrelevant link.
>>
>> On 05/11/2014 15:54, waclarke at btconnect.com wrote:
>>> On 05/11/14 15:28, Alan Milewczyk wrote:
>>>> I think you'll find that home recording would be viewed as
>>>> technically illegal.
>>> As far I a read it is *not* illegal ?
>>> http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16
>>>> A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television
>>>> receiving equipment (e.g. TVs, computers, mobile phones, games
>>>> consoles, digital boxes and DVD/VHS recorders) to watch or record
>>>> television programmes, as they are being shown on TV. This applies
>>>> regardless of which television channels a person receives or how
>>>> those channels are received. The licence fee is not a payment for
>>>> BBC services (or any other television service), although licence fee
>>>> revenue is used to fund the BBC.
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