Major Close Down

David Lake (dlake) dlake at
Wed Aug 6 15:07:40 PDT 2014

Sorry - take the "YOUR" as plural, not you specifically.

In other words, the Beeb own the content and the terms of their copyright determine what they allow one to do or not do with it.  By consuming the content, you've agreed to the terms of the copyright.

And I'm an engineer, not a lawyer, so dinner out means the local Wimpy, not the Ritz.


-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Kimble [mailto:boudiccas at] 
Sent: 06 August 2014 13:00
To: David Lake (dlake)
Cc: 'Frankie Higgs'; get_iplayer at
Subject: Re: Major Close Down

David Lake <dlake at> writes:

> Be VERY careful here.
> Every Media Selection page on the BBC's site includes the following line:
> <!--This code and data form part of the BBC iPlayer content protection 
> system. Tampering with, removal of, misuse of, or unauthorised use of 
> this code or data constitutes circumvention of the BBC's content 
> protection measures and may result in legal action. BBC (C) 2014.-->
> Note the term "misuse."  That is THEIR definition of misuse, not yours.   It is not YOUR content - it is THEIRS.

Thanks for your comment above, although I am not aware that I have said anywhere that "it is my content!"

I've looked at and also but I do not think that 'beeb' is in breach of any of their terms. However, I'm a Nurse and not a lawyer, so it is possible that I am wrong.

It should also be noted that the BBC personal use page is dated 15 October 2012, whereas the TV licensing page/site at
is stating exactly what I have quoted and is dated 2014.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-bounces at] On 
> Behalf Of Sharon Kimble
> Sent: 06 August 2014 03:24
> To: Frankie Higgs
> Cc: get_iplayer at
> Subject: Re: Major Close Down
> Frankie Higgs <frankiehiggs at> writes:
>> On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 16:09 +0100, Jonathan H wrote:
>>> So, let me try and get this clear in my head...
>>> Have you really just compared the deaths of millions of young men 
>>> who sacrificed their lives in two world wars, to the voluntary 
>>> closure of a site hosting stolen material?
>> Don't pretend to be surprised by someone's saying "My ancestors 
>> didn't fight in WWn for this,"
>> It's a very common piece of rhetoric, and in this case isn't entirely 
>> inappropriate.
>> If, as many do, Chris views the second world war as having been 
>> fought to defend us from fascist values, then he is correct in 
>> arguing that they were fought to prevent this sort of close down.
>> One important democratic freedom is the freedom to share culture and 
>> information. The introduction of copyright to the UK was intended to 
>> allow for easier censorship, and to prevent free culture. I'd 
>> recommend reading for the background.
>> What does genuinely continue to surprise me is that people continue 
>> to compare copyright violation to theft.
>> I'm not even sure if we have the legal right to use iPlayer content 
>> in a way the BBC don't explicitly allow, despite obviously having the 
>> moral right, so I don't view what we use get_iplayer for as any 
>> different from downloading these files from a P2P site.
>> (If there's anyone on the list who can explain our exact legal 
>> status, I'd be grateful)
> I'm the writer of 'beeb', a script to help get programmes using get-iplayer, available at my website.
> This is a quote from the "beeb manual", page 17, which explains the legal situation using information from the TV-licensings own web site. 
> You do not need a UK TV licence to use ”get-iplayer” or ”beeb”. You 
> only need a TV licence if you are recording TV programmes as they are 
> being shown on TV. This is from the TV licensing website -
> ”The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they’re being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.
> You don’t need a licence if you don’t use any of these devices to watch or record television pro- grammes as they’re being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch catch up services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.”
> Source -
> how-to-tell-us-you-dont-watch-tv-top12
> I hope this helps
> Sharon.
> --
> A taste of linux = my git repo = 
> TGmeds =
> Debian testing, fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs

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