Major Close Down

Sharon Kimble boudiccas at
Wed Aug 6 12:59:41 PDT 2014

David Lake <dlake at> writes:

> Be VERY careful here.
> Every Media Selection page on the BBC's site includes the following line:
> <!--This code and data form part of the BBC iPlayer content protection
> system. Tampering with, removal of, misuse of, or unauthorised use of
> this code or data constitutes circumvention of the BBC's content
> protection measures and may result in legal action. BBC (C) 2014.-->
> Note the term "misuse."  That is THEIR definition of misuse, not yours.   It is not YOUR content - it is THEIRS.

Thanks for your comment above, although I am not aware that I have said
anywhere that "it is my content!"

I've looked at and also but I do not think that 'beeb' is
in breach of any of their terms. However, I'm a Nurse and not a lawyer,
so it is possible that I am wrong.

It should also be noted that the BBC personal use page is dated 15
October 2012, whereas the TV licensing page/site at
is stating exactly what I have quoted and is dated 2014.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-bounces at] On Behalf Of Sharon Kimble
> Sent: 06 August 2014 03:24
> To: Frankie Higgs
> Cc: get_iplayer at
> Subject: Re: Major Close Down
> Frankie Higgs <frankiehiggs at> writes:
>> On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 16:09 +0100, Jonathan H wrote:
>>> So, let me try and get this clear in my head...
>>> Have you really just compared the deaths of millions of young men who 
>>> sacrificed their lives in two world wars, to the voluntary closure of 
>>> a site hosting stolen material?
>> Don't pretend to be surprised by someone's saying "My ancestors didn't 
>> fight in WWn for this,"
>> It's a very common piece of rhetoric, and in this case isn't entirely 
>> inappropriate.
>> If, as many do, Chris views the second world war as having been fought 
>> to defend us from fascist values, then he is correct in arguing that 
>> they were fought to prevent this sort of close down.
>> One important democratic freedom is the freedom to share culture and 
>> information. The introduction of copyright to the UK was intended to 
>> allow for easier censorship, and to prevent free culture. I'd 
>> recommend reading for the background.
>> What does genuinely continue to surprise me is that people continue to 
>> compare copyright violation to theft.
>> I'm not even sure if we have the legal right to use iPlayer content in 
>> a way the BBC don't explicitly allow, despite obviously having the 
>> moral right, so I don't view what we use get_iplayer for as any 
>> different from downloading these files from a P2P site.
>> (If there's anyone on the list who can explain our exact legal status, 
>> I'd be grateful)
> I'm the writer of 'beeb', a script to help get programmes using get-iplayer, available at my website.
> This is a quote from the "beeb manual", page 17, which explains the legal situation using information from the TV-licensings own web site. 
> You do not need a UK TV licence to use ”get-iplayer” or ”beeb”. You only need a TV licence if you are recording TV programmes as they are being shown on TV. This is from the TV licensing website -
> ”The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they’re being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.
> You don’t need a licence if you don’t use any of these devices to watch or record television pro- grammes as they’re being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch catch up services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.”
> Source -
> how-to-tell-us-you-dont-watch-tv-top12
> I hope this helps
> Sharon.
> --
> A taste of linux = my git repo =
> TGmeds =
> Debian testing, fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs

A taste of linux =
my git repo =
TGmeds =
Debian testing, fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs
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