[LEDE-DEV] OpenWRT tree vs LEDE tree

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 04:40:34PM +0200, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote:
> Bjørn wrote:
> > Yes, this is extremely unfair.  Just like the I'm sure some
> > developers saw the original LEDE announcement.  Good intentions are
> > not enough. It's the result that matters.
> 
> I certainly agree but we should avoid applying double standards here,
> 
well, that's kinda the key here, isn't it? i don't know whether the lede
infrastructure and participation was technically open from the start,
but the fact that nobody except "the cabal" knew about it makes the
whole "open" thing a bit of a cynical joke.

the one thing that will make a big difference is plainly and openly
admitting the screwup ... and rebooting your "reboot".

that doesn't mean starting from scratch, but instead openly and forcibly
pushing your alternatives within openwrt - as imre pointed out, you have
quite some real power. however controversial such an approach might be,
it cannot possibly do more damage to the community than this hostile
fork does.

regarding the open decision-making process: *the* channel for any kind
of serious discussion should be the open mailing list.
- as others pointed out, irc plain does not work for such stuff. the
  whole concept of meetings (or generally real-time communication about
  non-trivial matters) doesn't work for many people, so just scratch it.
- alone the fact that "important stuff" happens "out of band" and needs
  to be actively collected by those "passively interested" is a problem.
  probably the problem that triggered bjoern's mail in the first place.

anyway, that's my perspective as an outsider (who has 15 years of
experience in some *big* openly governed communities) ...