Thank you peter and dinky Prob solved do you need the subsfmt instruction when patch has been applied?what do you get by defaullt for subs if you use a line like Get_iplayer --subtitles --get 874 --tvmode=best --type=tv --force why doesn't a command like Get_iplayer --subsfmt=colour --get 890 --tvmode=best --type=tv --force work? thanks again for the great work