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[David]

Some points:

1) Open Source does not mean free.
The two are often confused.

2) Open Source with a license allowing free use / modification means that
people modify and adapt it as they see fit (typically giving credit to previous contributors).
It does not mean they can 'use' it as they choose to. To be clear, if the usage is for an illegal
purpose, it's still illegal - just because it's open source doesn't void
any liability.

But please, we don't want this thread having animosity to each other....
and there's a real danger of that.

We all LOVE get_iplayer.
We all WISH we didn't need get_iplayer and that the BBC and partners
would offer the same functionality themselves.
We all KNOW that there are legal reasons why the BBC never will be able
to do that (and that's no fault of the BBC in this instance).

So, we have get_iplayer and are stuck with it (and we still love it!)...
but we tip-toe on the edge of legality, and even for those who believe
we are 100% worry free of any legal issues, we still know that problems
can arise at any time if the BBC choose to tighten controls on their
content. This is something none of us want to happen.

Because of the above, SP's website has just raised the issue in our
minds. This absolutely is nothing to do with SP himself, and his efforts
are outstanding and well motivated. We should all be applauding that
right? RIGHT??

We are are now just discussing the Pros and Cons of get_iplayer being
exposed to a wider audience and raising its profile. People are right to
express concern, but we definitely don't want to be infighting. We all
want the same thing.


I think the question is this:

1) How can make iplayer easier to discuss?
2) How can we make it easier to download / find?
3) How can we achieve the 1) and 2) without increasing risk?
4) What is an acceptable level of risk?
5) What are the realistic risks? and what are overhyped risks?
6) What are the consequences of misjudging 5) ?


> Colin Law <mailto:clanlaw at googlemail.com>
> 17 July 2013 12:18
>
> For their own use then basically yes. However if they distribute the
> software to others they must follow the terms of the license. Of
> course if they use the s/w to do something illegal or infringe someone
> else's rights then that is a different matter.
>
> Colin
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> michael norman <mailto:michaeltnorman at gmail.com>
> 17 July 2013 11:58
>
> Lets be clear here you are saying that anyone, anywhere has the right 
> to do exactly what they like with free or opensource software without 
> reference to any other individual anywhere ?
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> Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer <mailto:jn.ml.gti.91 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
> 17 July 2013 11:43
>
> There's no reason why SP's reservations should have been shared anywhere.
> And, with free, open-source software, any of us - or anyone else - is free
> to do anything we like with it. Nobody has to ask anyone's permission
> first.
>
> michael norman <mailto:michaeltnorman at gmail.com>
> 17 July 2013 11:20
> On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
>> TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I 
>> hear the concerns raised here.
> And your reservations were shared where exactly.
>>
>> As a result, I have replaced it with the worlds worst logo ever. But 
>> it'll do for now and it site specific, signifying that the site is the
> get_iplayer forum site and not get_iplayer itself.
>
> Oh dear Mummy someone took my nice logo away I'll show them and put up 
> something really horrid they won't like.
>>
>> I believe someone was concerned of a 'control grab', whatever that 
>> is, so now there is a little distinction.
>
> Who said that and where ?
>>
>> The URL would take longer and is still perhaps questionable as 
>> 'iplayer' is in the software name, but I'm willing to shift it to 
>> squarepenguin.co.uk to make people feel better.
>
> How gracious of you.
>>
>>
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> Square Penguin <mailto:hello at squarepenguin.co.uk>
> 17 July 2013 11:06
> TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I 
> hear the concerns raised here.
>
> As a result, I have replaced it with the worlds worst logo ever. But 
> it'll do for now and it site specific, signifying that the site is the 
> get_iplayer forum site and not get_iplayer itself.
>
> I believe someone was concerned of a 'control grab', whatever that is, 
> so now there is a little distinction.
>
> The URL would take longer and is still perhaps questionable as 
> 'iplayer' is in the software name, but I'm willing to shift it to 
> squarepenguin.co.uk to make people feel better.
>
>
>
>
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