[wireless-regdb] Question about 5.8 GHz in E.U.

[Ryan Mounce]

On 7 September 2017 at 22:13, Mathieu Peyréga <mathieu.peyrega at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello
>
> Sorry, I'm kind of discovering all those wifi stuff and I'm not sure to
> follow your argument.
>
> What I can see in current DB version is that some E.U. countries have it
> enabled :
>
> e.g. Germany :
>
> |country DE: DFS-ETSI (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW) (5150 - 5250 @ 80),
> (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS,
> AUTO-BW (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS # short range devices (ETSI EN
> 300 440-1) (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW) # 60 GHz band channels 1-4 (ETSI EN
> 302 567) (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) |

Correct, I missed that as they are using different (yet equivalent) syntax.

So this range is defined for BG, DE, NL. This is still very much the
exception rather than the norm.

I maintain my opinion that these ranges should be removed on the basis
that it is very low power and poses a risk in the presence of
non-compliant devices.

>
> Regards,
>
> Mathieu Peyrega
>
>
>
> Le 07/09/2017 à 14:38, Ryan Mounce a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Mathieu,
>>
>> The permitted power within 5725-5875 MHz is only 25mW / 14dBm EIRP, as
>> far as I am aware this was also the case prior to 2014. This rule does
>> exist in the regdb for Bulgaria / BG, which is technically correct
>> however in my opinion should be removed for consistency.
>>
>> I think the problem with 14dBm being such a low power level is that
>> its useful range is very limited. There is also the fear that client
>> devices designed for use outside the EU and not complying with 802.11d
>> will transmit far beyond the permissible power level in this range
>> upon associating with even a compliant AP.
>>
>> Whether for these reasons or others, the convention appears to be to
>> simply disable this frequency range altogether for EU countries.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ryan Mounce
>>
>> On 7 September 2017 at 21:49, Mathieu Peyréga <mathieu.peyrega at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if the regulatory DB is up to date for France, especially
>>> regarding channels in band 5725-5875 MHz
>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tree/db.txt?id=HEAD
>>>
>>> I can found (07/09/2017) :
>>>
>>> country FR: DFS-ETSI
>>>      (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
>>>      (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (20), AUTO-BW
>>>      (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (20), DFS, AUTO-BW
>>>      (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (27), DFS
>>>      # 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>>>      (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
>>>
>>> which as far as I understands it prevents those frequencies being used.
>>>
>>> The European Union have taken the following decision :
>>>
>>>
>>> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32013D0752&from=EN
>>> (or in French :
>>>
>>> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/FR/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32013D0752&from=FR)
>>>
>>> where (p14/20, line 61 of the frequencies table) it shoul be allowed in
>>> E.U.
>>> and the last column states that member countries should reflect thie E.U.
>>> decision at national levels regulations before 2014 July 1st.
>>> I don't know for other countries, but it seems that France as complied
>>> with
>>> this, regarding the document from our national agency (ARCEP) :
>>>
>>> https://www.arcep.fr/uploads/tx_gsavis/14-1263.pdf
>>>
>>> on page 23/35, the table gives the exact same condition as the E.U.
>>> rules. I
>>> believe those frequencies should now be allowed in FR regdomain.
>>>
>>> Also, I own a Synology RT2600AC routeur, and the regional settigns pages
>>> allows to set "European Union" which result in the access point
>>> broadcastin
>>> a "EU" regdom that I can not find in the wireless-regdb
>>>
>>> Shouldn't it be added in the database ?
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Mathieu Peyréga
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