pop art

michael norman michaeltnorman at gmail.com
Wed Sep 2 10:39:26 PDT 2015

On 09/02/2015 06:25 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 05:12:58PM +0100, C E Macfarlane wrote:
>> Yes, for example, for security reasons, and a number of mobile browsers do
>> not support JavaScript:
>> 	http://quirksmode.org/m/table.html
> Name one that is commonly used by consumers in the UK.
>>>      And if you have deliberately turned it off (either by configuration or
>>>      by using some hopelessly crippled browser that doesn't implement it),
>>>      then that's your choice.
>> As above, it may actually have been the platform manufacturer's choice.
> True. But then you chose a crippled platform instead of just a crippled
> browser.
>>> The BBC can't take account of every possible weird thing that users do.
>> They can very easily ensure that their content loads on as many different
>> devices as possible by ensuring that their content is as simple as possible.
> Perhaps they should send you the shooting script instead of letting you
> watch Dr Who on iPlayer then.
>> 	:-(	Do not use JS, PHP, etc to edit content according to the platform
>> making the request, rather keep the content simple enough to load properly
>> on any platform.
> Trouble is that means that you're dumbing your application down to the
> lowest common denominator. I'm sure that the handful of people using
> Acorns and Amigas and WAP browsers on their Nokia 8110s will be
> grateful, but the overwhelming majority will just be pissed off that
> you've delivered something that is so horribly backward compared to the
> much better experience they get from everywhere else.
>>> You might as well complain that you can't
>>> watch the TV because you chose to glue some socks to the screen.
>> It is not what the user may be doing wrong that is under discussion here,
>> but what the BBC is doing wrong.  See below ...
> No, it really is the user choosing to limit their experience.
>>> I presume you would agree that it is a Good Thing to try to send
>>> appropriate stuff to the various different platforms?
>> NO!!!  NO!!!  NO!!!  That is the WHOLE POINT!!!  It's a BAD, BAD, BAD thing
>> to try to send appropriate content to different platforms!!!  That way lies
>> an insane and bloody mess and a site maintenance nightmare!!!
> Not really, not if you do it carefully.
>> You need to read up about Object-Orientating-Programming (OOP) in general
>> and Model-View-Controller (MVC) in particular, both of which are key
>> concepts to good GUI design.
> Yes dear. Do you also give your grandmother egg-sucking lessons?
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/a-z
>> http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/TerrestrialTV/TerrestrialCalcu
>> lator.php
>> The BBC Programmes A-Z page previously linked comes out at 0.02, while the
>> most complicated page on my own site, which calculates from user input which
>> direction to point a TV aerial, and draws maps of and a vertical terrain
>> profile along the resulting signal path, comes out at 0.16.  This is a
>> massive difference, the more so when you consider that, unlike my own page
>> which works very hard for its living, the BBC page's content is essentially
>> static, it never needs to change!
> One of those works well on my phone and quickly gets me the information
> I want, the other is an ugly mess that requires all kinds of scrolling
> up and down and left and right. So much for your GUI design skills. It's
> almost as if the BBC's one was intended to work well across multiple
> platforms and had some thought put into the design, and you just didn't
> give a toss.
> Perhaps you're the one who needs to go and read about OOP etc, although
> personally speaking I don't find my in-depth knowledge to be much use
> when it comes to GUIs. Far better IME to out-source the work to someone
> who knows GUI design and implementation.
Fascinating as all of this might be how does it relate to GIP ?


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