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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=542224400-30012010><FONT color=#0000ff>Sorry
everybody, it was pointed out to me that my shorthand for RH is probably not
known to most people. RH = Red Hat. So it's the Red Hat legal team
that will be contacted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us>Cheers,</SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us>John</SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us>-----------------------------------------------------------</SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us>"...that your people will judge you on what you can build,
not what you destroy.", B. Obama, 2009 </SPAN></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ptpd-bounces@lists.infradead.org
[mailto:ptpd-bounces@lists.infradead.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ronciak,
John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 29, 2010 4:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B> gertjan
hofman; ptpd@lists.infradead.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Re: IEEE1588 patent
encumbered -<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=595164523-29012010><FONT
color=#0000ff>First I want to make it clear that I am not a lawyer, I am not
speaking for the Intel legal team.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=595164523-29012010><FONT color=#0000ff>I
had a meeting with our (Intel) lawyers about this today. They were
having a hard time understanding how this is any different than other IEEE
protocols implemented in Open Source. I have to agree with them, seems
like the same problem is with most of them as well, like wireless for
example.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=595164523-29012010><FONT
color=#0000ff>Anyway, one of our lawyers is going to contact the RH legal to
asks what's going on. There isn't much that can happen at this point as
it would be a fairly high expense to try to get patent releases from all the
patent holders. While this is still being looked at we really need to
hear what RH is thinking about here, at least at the legal
level.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=595164523-29012010><FONT
color=#0000ff>Once I hear back I'll post again.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=595164523-29012010><FONT
color=#0000ff>Sorry, I wish the news was better.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us>Cheers,</SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us>John</SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us>-----------------------------------------------------------</SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us>"...that your people will judge you on what you can
build, not what you destroy.", B. Obama, 2009 </SPAN></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> gertjan hofman
[mailto:ghofman@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:57
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Ronciak, John; ptpd@lists.infradead.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Re: IEEE1588 patent encumbered -<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>A quick glance at some of the Agilent patents show that US
5566180 would definitely infringe (not that I am a lawyer). It is
essentially the 1588 protocol. Most the "Letters of Assurance"
received by IEEE from Agilent on this subject do not exclude charging
license fees, merely guarantee license will be provided to all interested
parties. <BR><BR>It seems to me that it is not the code as such that
is the problem, but message algorithm. Hence there should be simple answers
to our questions: National Instruments, Intel, IXXAT, Hirshman etc are
all selling products that use the protocol (whether in soft or hardware) and
either all pay nominal license fees or Agilent isn't interested in charging
it.<BR><BR>I will get our lawyers involved in 2 weeks if I don't find out
anything in the meantime.<BR><BR>Cheers and
thanks<BR><BR>Gertjan<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Ronciak, John <SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>We have started the
discussion here, including our lawyers. As soon as I know more
I'll post an update to this list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us>Cheers,</SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us>John</SPAN>
<BR><SPAN
lang=en-us>-----------------------------------------------------------</SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us>"...that your people will judge you on what you can
build, not what you destroy.", B. Obama, 2009 </SPAN></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:ptpd-bounces@lists.infradead.org"
target=_blank>ptpd-bounces@lists.infradead.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ptpd-bounces@lists.infradead.org"
target=_blank>ptpd-bounces@lists.infradead.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>gertjan hofman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:35
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:ptpd@lists.infradead.org"
target=_blank>ptpd@lists.infradead.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Re:
IEEE1588 patent encumbered -<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV><BR>I would like to add my voice to request for patent
info. We have (had ?) every intention of running Ptp on some of
our products and are far down the development road. I am in the
middle of sorting out other GPL license issues when finally looked at
the patent note and now see your e-mails.<BR><BR>We would be very
interested in knowing whether the original code on sourceforge (by
Kendall) breaches any patents. I do have access to a team of
lawyers ( I work for very large corporation) , but I want to find
out a little more if I can, or at least be able to direct them
better.<BR><BR>Much
appreciated<BR><BR>Gertjan<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>==================================================<BR>Gertjan
Hofman<BR>ghofman [at] <A href="http://gmail.com"
target=_blank>gmail.com</A>
<BR><BR>604-982-3574<BR>==================================================<BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR
clear=all><BR>--
<BR>==================================================<BR>Gertjan
Hofman<BR>ghofman [at] <A href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</A>
gertjan.hofman [at] <A
href="http://honeywell.com">honeywell.com</A><BR><BR>604-982-3574<BR>==================================================<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>