From jo at mein.io  Sun Jun  4 12:01:51 2017
From: jo at mein.io (Jo-Philipp Wich)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 21:01:51 +0200
Subject: Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
Message-ID: <5d3c2a06-6c63-910c-a38e-6a3f274485f6@mein.io>

Hi,

I decided to delay 17.01.2 by another week to wait for Kernel 4.4.71
getting released which will fix a number of networking related
vulnerabilities.

The currently projected release date is Saturday, the 10th.

Regards,
Jo


From wigyori at uid0.hu  Tue Jun  6 06:43:46 2017
From: wigyori at uid0.hu (Zoltan HERPAI)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 15:43:46 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Hackers] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <5936B192.4090105@uid0.hu>

Hi,

John Crispin wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments 
> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please 
> remeber that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the 
> proposal with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>
> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
[snip]

As this seems to have turned into a voting thread as discussed on IRC 
with John, an ACK from me as well on this v3.

Regards,
Zoltan H



From hauke at hauke-m.de  Sat Jun 10 06:13:25 2017
From: hauke at hauke-m.de (Hauke Mehrtens)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:13:25 +0200
Subject: LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>

Hi,

As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
acknowledgment:
Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
Felix, Alexander, Piotr
If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.

I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.

If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.

Hauke

On 05/29/2017 09:03 AM, John Crispin wrote:
> (resend, this time as plain text)
> 
> Hi,
> 
> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
> 
> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
> 
> 
>         John
> 
> *) rules
> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
> 
> *) branding
> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most
> people said they did not care
> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is
> the only feasible option
> 
> *) domain
> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in
> various locations
> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to
> proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so
> that the openwrt domain also points at them
> 
> *) SPI
> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone
> else is interested let us know)
> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can
> be handed over
> 
> *) github
> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue
> tracker
> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and
> close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow)
> - close the lede PR tracker
> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
> 
> *) landing page
> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages
> announcing the remerge
> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current
> openwrt landing page
> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one
> appropriate to this century
> 
> *) trac
> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can
> still find the it
> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the
> bug.openwrt.org instance
> 
> *) IRC
> - add back cloaking
> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
> 
> *) email accounts
> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up
> their accounts
> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal
> business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the
> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
> 
> *) wiki / forum
> - TBD
> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both
> around
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
> 
> *) LF
> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
> 
> *) git trees
> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot
> and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this
> already)
> 
> *) mailing list
> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
> - send out invitation mails to the new list
> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
> 
> *) trademark policy
> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
> 
> *) timeline
> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
> 
>     John
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Lede-dev mailing list
> Lede-dev at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> openwrt-devel mailing list
> openwrt-devel at lists.openwrt.org
> https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> lede-adm mailing list
> lede-adm at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-adm


From vincenzo.romano at notorand.it  Tue Jun 13 02:04:31 2017
From: vincenzo.romano at notorand.it (Vincenzo Romano)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:04:31 +0200
Subject: LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <CAHjZ2x7q8+EbiVk1XbFoLcjOOoZiDC2vp8JLBOAzu1gsZNAkOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.
I think I already ACK'd the proposal.
I do confirm my ACK here.
--
Vincenzo Romano - NotOrAnd.IT
Information Technologies
--
NON QVIETIS MARIBVS NAVTA PERITVS


2017-06-10 15:13 GMT+02:00 Hauke Mehrtens <hauke at hauke-m.de>:
> Hi,
>
> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
> acknowledgment:
> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
>
> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
>
> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
>
> Hauke


From koen.vandeputte at ncentric.com  Tue Jun 13 02:19:47 2017
From: koen.vandeputte at ncentric.com (Koen Vandeputte)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:19:47 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <1d8593b8-ded7-4f41-67e0-8374297acaba@ncentric.com>

ACK from me.

Koen


On 2017-06-10 15:13, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
> acknowledgment:
> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
>
> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
>
> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
>
> Hauke



From jo at mein.io  Tue Jun 13 02:36:51 2017
From: jo at mein.io (Jo-Philipp Wich)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:36:51 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <c6e7bef5-5ebe-34ea-3ee8-e3a05a45884d@mein.io>

Hi,

NACK from me - not that it makes a difference but I do not like to
operate under the OpenWrt name.

~ Jo


From giu.lippolis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 11:45:23 2017
From: giu.lippolis at gmail.com (Giuseppe Lippolis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:45:23 +0200
Subject: AW: Lede-dev Digest, Vol 14, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <mailman.34820.1497373709.26984.lede-dev@lists.infradead.org>
References: <mailman.34820.1497373709.26984.lede-dev@lists.infradead.org>
Message-ID: <000001d2e475$37df3fd0$a79dbf70$@gmail.com>

Here my (official) opinion point by point:

> *) rules
> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
ACK

> *) branding
> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most
> people said they did not care
> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is
> the only feasible option
NACK

> *) domain
> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in
> various locations
> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to
> proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so
> that the openwrt domain also points at them
ACK

> *) SPI
> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone
> else is interested let us know)
> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can
> be handed over
ACK

> *) github
> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue
> tracker
> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and
> close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow)
> - close the lede PR tracker
> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
ACK

> *) landing page
> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages
> announcing the remerge
> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current
> openwrt landing page
> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one
> appropriate to this century
ACK

> *) trac
> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can
> still find the it
> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the
> bug.openwrt.org instance
NO OPINION

> *) IRC
> - add back cloaking
> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
NO OPINION

> *) email accounts
> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up
> their accounts
> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal
> business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the
> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
NO OPINION

> *) wiki / forum
> - TBD
> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both
> around
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
I prefer the OPENWRT forum
 
> *) LF
> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
ACK for the hosting and sponsorship

> *) git trees
> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot
> and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this
> already)
ACK merge (no rebrand to be coherent with the first point)

> *) mailing list
> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
> - send out invitation mails to the new list
> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
ACK

> *) trademark policy
> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
NO OPINION

> *) timeline
> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
ACK

Bye.




From giu.lippolis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 12:46:07 2017
From: giu.lippolis at gmail.com (Giuseppe Lippolis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 21:46:07 +0200
Subject: LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
Message-ID: <001501d2e47d$b3e267d0$1ba73770$@gmail.com>

Here my (official) opinion point by point:

> *) rules
> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
ACK

> *) branding
> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most 
> people said they did not care
> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand 
> is the only feasible option
NACK

> *) domain
> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in 
> various locations
> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how 
> to proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers 
> so that the openwrt domain also points at them
ACK

> *) SPI
> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if 
> anyone else is interested let us know)
> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains 
> can be handed over
ACK

> *) github
> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue 
> tracker
> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and 
> close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable 
> anyhow)
> - close the lede PR tracker
> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
ACK

> *) landing page
> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages 
> announcing the remerge
> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current 
> openwrt landing page
> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to 
> one appropriate to this century
ACK

> *) trac
> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can 
> still find the it
> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the 
> bug.openwrt.org instance
NO OPINION

> *) IRC
> - add back cloaking
> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
NO OPINION

> *) email accounts
> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 
> 3 owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that 
> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up 
> their accounts
> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal 
> business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the 
> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
NO OPINION

> *) wiki / forum
> - TBD
> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both 
> around
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
I prefer the OPENWRT forum
 
> *) LF
> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
ACK for the hosting and sponsorship

> *) git trees
> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot 
> and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this
> already)
ACK merge (no rebrand to be coherent with the first point)

> *) mailing list
> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
> - send out invitation mails to the new list
> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
ACK

> *) trademark policy
> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
NO OPINION

> *) timeline
> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
ACK

Bye.





From f.fainelli at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 12:58:17 2017
From: f.fainelli at gmail.com (Florian Fainelli)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:58:17 -0700
Subject: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>

On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
> 
> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.

ACK from me.
-- 
Florian


From john at phrozen.org  Tue Jun 13 22:43:29 2017
From: john at phrozen.org (John Crispin)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:43:29 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
 <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>



On 13/06/17 21:58, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
>> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
>> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
>> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>>
>> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
> ACK from me.
ACK from me also.


From mbm at openwrt.org  Wed Jun 14 22:23:07 2017
From: mbm at openwrt.org (Mike Baker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 22:23:07 -0700
Subject: [OpenWrt-Hackers] [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge
 proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
 <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>
 <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <bbcee7f3-3f60-39d0-6fb5-a3ef7ed189d5@openwrt.org>

On 6/13/2017 10:43 PM, John Crispin wrote:
> On 13/06/17 21:58, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
>>> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
>>> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
>>> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>>>
>>> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
>> ACK from me.
> ACK from me also.
ACK.


From jonas.gorski at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 02:20:33 2017
From: jonas.gorski at gmail.com (Jonas Gorski)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:20:33 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <CAOiHx==atPBo2sZBCvpvb05-ovfacjNww=T8GgmAzBFsPTKcfA@mail.gmail.com>

On 29 May 2017 at 09:03, John Crispin <john at phrozen.org> wrote:
> (resend, this time as plain text)
>
>
> Hi,
>
> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that
> post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many
> details will delay the remerge even more.
>
> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
>
>
>         John
>
> *) rules
> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
>
> *) branding
> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most
> people said they did not care
> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the
> only feasible option
>
> *) domain
> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various
> locations
> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to
> proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so
> that the openwrt domain also points at them
>
> *) SPI
> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone
> else is interested let us know)
> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be
> handed over
>
> *) github
> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue
> tracker
> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close
> the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow)
> - close the lede PR tracker
> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
>
> *) landing page
> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing
> the remerge
> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current
> openwrt landing page
> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one
> appropriate to this century
>
> *) trac
> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still
> find the it
> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the
> bug.openwrt.org instance
>
> *) IRC
> - add back cloaking
> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
>
> *) email accounts
> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their
> accounts
> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business,
> consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark
> policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
>
> *) wiki / forum
> - TBD
> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both
> around
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
>
> *) LF
> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
>
> *) git trees
> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and
> pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already)
>
> *) mailing list
> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
> - send out invitation mails to the new list
> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
>
> *) trademark policy
> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
>
> *) timeline
> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
>
>     John

ACK from me.


Regards
Jonas


From ryazanov.s.a at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 07:17:59 2017
From: ryazanov.s.a at gmail.com (Sergey Ryazanov)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:17:59 +0300
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
Message-ID: <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Jo-Philipp Wich <jo at mein.io> wrote:
> If you want specific fixes cherry-picked/backported to lede-17.01,
> please mention them in a reply to this mail.

I know its too late, since 17.01.2 already released, but could you
cherry-pick following two fixes to stable branch so they could appear
in next stable release:

commit fec38ebf0d0ffba22937e181941cea7d9cddf808
kernel: fix segmentation fault in mconf on linux

commit e06d8f0f6f041c8ac1acba810eea96c32dc983e4
build: new fixes for symlinked .config handling

-- 
Sergey


From vincenzo.romano at notorand.it  Thu Jun 15 07:38:33 2017
From: vincenzo.romano at notorand.it (Vincenzo Romano)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:38:33 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>

... and, if I may throw my EUR 0.02 in, why not recompile dropbear
with "elliptic curve" support?
It's there since 2013.61test!

--
Enzo


From jo at mein.io  Thu Jun 15 07:41:50 2017
From: jo at mein.io (Jo-Philipp Wich)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:41:50 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>

Hi,

> ... and, if I may throw my EUR 0.02 in, why not recompile dropbear
> with "elliptic curve" support?

whats the size impact?


~ Jo


From vincenzo.romano at notorand.it  Thu Jun 15 08:00:01 2017
From: vincenzo.romano at notorand.it (Vincenzo Romano)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:00:01 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>
Message-ID: <CAHjZ2x4b2SGe88gpXJHE-tx5QdmwzkNZuAJUpg3_PAVFz-Qjvw@mail.gmail.com>

2017-06-15 16:41 GMT+02:00 Jo-Philipp Wich <jo at mein.io>:
> Hi,
>
>> ... and, if I may throw my EUR 0.02 in, why not recompile dropbear
>> with "elliptic curve" support?
>
> whats the size impact?
>
>
> ~ Jo

>From the options.h file I read:

/* ECDSA is significantly faster than RSA or DSS. Compiling in ECC
 * code (either ECDSA or ECDH) increases binary size - around 30kB
 * on x86-64 */
#define DROPBEAR_ECDSA

/* Generate hostkeys as-needed when the first connection using that
key type occurs.
   This avoids the need to otherwise run "dropbearkey" and avoids some problems
   with badly seeded /dev/urandom when systems first boot.
   This also requires a runtime flag "-R". This adds ~4kB to binary
size (or hardly
   anything if dropbearkey is linked in a "dropbearmulti" binary) */
#define DROPBEAR_DELAY_HOSTKEY

/* Enable Curve25519 for key exchange. This is another elliptic
 * curve method with good security properties. Increases binary size
 * by ~8kB on x86-64 */
#define DROPBEAR_CURVE25519

/* Enable elliptic curve Diffie Hellman key exchange, see note about
 * ECDSA above */
#define DROPBEAR_ECDH

Then I have tried a compilation on my x86-64 macchine with defaults
(ECC enabled) and with those 4 options disabled.
In the first case I've got:

dbclient: 228504
dropbear: 233624
dropbearkey: 137736

While in the second one:

dbclient: 194136
dropbear: 203336
dropbearkey: 108120

More or less confirming what's in the options.h.
By rough comparison, my Archer C7 says its dropbear single binary is
176517 bytes long.
Unfortunately I haven't a cross compilation environment at hand right
now to provide RISC binary code sizes.

Maybe one could think about an alternative dropbear-full package.

--
Vincenzo Romano - NotOrAnd.IT
Information Technologies
--
NON QVIETIS MARIBVS NAVTA PERITVS


From vincenzo.romano at notorand.it  Thu Jun 15 09:03:26 2017
From: vincenzo.romano at notorand.it (Vincenzo Romano)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:03:26 +0200
Subject: Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <871sqlz1if.fsf@alrua-x1>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>
 <CAHjZ2x4b2SGe88gpXJHE-tx5QdmwzkNZuAJUpg3_PAVFz-Qjvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <871sqlz1if.fsf@alrua-x1>
Message-ID: <CAHjZ2x4cw9AEuyh4620438FVjb9UpveaHhRFBpUEEK721shhMg@mail.gmail.com>

2017-06-15 17:58 GMT+02:00 Toke H?iland-J?rgensen <toke at toke.dk>:
> Vincenzo Romano <vincenzo.romano at notorand.it> writes:
>
>> Maybe one could think about an alternative dropbear-full package.
>
> What about disabling the older key types? Who really needs RSA these days? ;)
>
> -Toke

Me!
It's the only one available right now:

root at N0A-R0:~# dropbearkey
Must specify a key filename
Usage: dropbearkey -t <type> -f <filename> [-s bits]
-t type Type of key to generate. One of:
               rsa
-f filename    Use filename for the secret key.
              ~/.ssh/id_dropbear is recommended for client keys.
-s bits Key size in bits, should be a multiple of 8 (optional)
-y              Just print the publickey and fingerprint for the
               private key in <filename>.


--
Vincenzo Romano - NotOrAnd.IT
Information Technologies
--
NON QVIETIS MARIBVS NAVTA PERITVS


From toke at toke.dk  Thu Jun 15 08:58:16 2017
From: toke at toke.dk (=?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:58:16 +0200
Subject: Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <CAHjZ2x4b2SGe88gpXJHE-tx5QdmwzkNZuAJUpg3_PAVFz-Qjvw@mail.gmail.com>
 (Vincenzo Romano's message of "Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:00:01 +0200")
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>
 <CAHjZ2x4b2SGe88gpXJHE-tx5QdmwzkNZuAJUpg3_PAVFz-Qjvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871sqlz1if.fsf@alrua-x1>

Vincenzo Romano <vincenzo.romano at notorand.it> writes:

> Maybe one could think about an alternative dropbear-full package.

What about disabling the older key types? Who really needs RSA these days? ;)

-Toke


From kaloz at openwrt.org  Tue Jun 20 13:49:28 2017
From: kaloz at openwrt.org (Imre Kaloz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:49:28 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Hackers] [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge
 proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
 <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>
 <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <7651b777-b434-842a-adb0-195cfab4e057@openwrt.org>

On 2017-06-14 07:43, John Crispin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13/06/17 21:58, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
>>> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
>>> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
>>> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>>>
>>> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
>> ACK from me.
> ACK from me also.
ACK from me, too.


From hauke at hauke-m.de  Mon Jun 26 14:59:52 2017
From: hauke at hauke-m.de (Hauke Mehrtens)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:59:52 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <331ff812-7bc2-9384-001e-0f02924723f5@hauke-m.de>

On 06/10/2017 03:13 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
> acknowledgment:
> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
> 
> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
> 
> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
> 
> Hauke

Sorry it took me longer to count the votes. ;-)

The remerge proposal was acknowledged by the following LEDE developers:
Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
Felix, Alexander, Piotr and Jonas (13)

In addition it was acknowledged by the following OpenWrt hackers:
Zoltan, Miken, Imre and Matteo (4)

The following people I was unable to put into one of these groups also
acknowledged it: ;-)
Koen, Vincenzo, Alexandru and Eric (4)

I counted one Not acknowledge:
Jow (1)

I used this list for the LEDE developers:
https://lede-project.org/about#people

With that vote the remerge is officially approved by the LEDE developers
and also by the OpenWrt hackers.


As a first step I would like to see the openwrt.org domain being
transfered to the Software in the Public Interest, Inc (SPI) so the SPI
can take the ownership of the domain in the name of the project, like
they do for the debian.org domain name.
Imre will you take care of this please.

Imre and John volunteered to represent us at the SPI. As I haven't read
anybody having a problem with that in the mail threads, I assume that
this is ok with everyone. Imre and John can you please also work on this
topic. If anyone wants a formal vote on this or would like to have other
people representing us please speak up now.

Hauke

> 
> On 05/29/2017 09:03 AM, John Crispin wrote:
>> (resend, this time as plain text)
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
>> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
>> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
>> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>>
>> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
>>
>>
>>         John
>>
>> *) rules
>> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
>>
>> *) branding
>> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
>> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most
>> people said they did not care
>> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is
>> the only feasible option
>>
>> *) domain
>> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
>> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
>> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in
>> various locations
>> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
>> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
>> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to
>> proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
>> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so
>> that the openwrt domain also points at them
>>
>> *) SPI
>> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone
>> else is interested let us know)
>> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
>> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can
>> be handed over
>>
>> *) github
>> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
>> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
>> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue
>> tracker
>> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and
>> close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow)
>> - close the lede PR tracker
>> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
>>
>> *) landing page
>> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages
>> announcing the remerge
>> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
>> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current
>> openwrt landing page
>> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
>> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one
>> appropriate to this century
>>
>> *) trac
>> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can
>> still find the it
>> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the
>> bug.openwrt.org instance
>>
>> *) IRC
>> - add back cloaking
>> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
>>
>> *) email accounts
>> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
>> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
>> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
>> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
>> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up
>> their accounts
>> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal
>> business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
>> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the
>> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
>>
>> *) wiki / forum
>> - TBD
>> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both
>> around
>> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
>>
>> *) LF
>> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
>> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
>> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
>>
>> *) git trees
>> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
>> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot
>> and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this
>> already)
>>
>> *) mailing list
>> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
>> - send out invitation mails to the new list
>> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
>>
>> *) trademark policy
>> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
>>
>> *) timeline
>> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
>> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
>>
>>     John



From hauke at hauke-m.de  Tue Jun 27 13:55:05 2017
From: hauke at hauke-m.de (Hauke Mehrtens)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:55:05 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <331ff812-7bc2-9384-001e-0f02924723f5@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
 <331ff812-7bc2-9384-001e-0f02924723f5@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <a7e69b5c-f684-00d1-6770-0e493faa031a@hauke-m.de>

On 06/26/2017 11:59 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
> On 06/10/2017 03:13 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
>> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
>> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
>> acknowledgment:
>> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
>> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
>> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
>>
>> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
>>
>> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
>> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
>> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
>>
>> Hauke
> 
> Sorry it took me longer to count the votes. ;-)
> 
> The remerge proposal was acknowledged by the following LEDE developers:
> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
> Felix, Alexander, Piotr and Jonas (13)
> 
> In addition it was acknowledged by the following OpenWrt hackers:
> Zoltan, Miken, Imre and Matteo (4)

John told me that OpenWrt is currently only represented by Imre, Luka
und Zoltan, so Matteo and Mike then probably go into the next category,
but this does not change the end result.

> The following people I was unable to put into one of these groups also
> acknowledged it: ;-)
> Koen, Vincenzo, Alexandru and Eric (4)
> 
> I counted one Not acknowledge:
> Jow (1)
> 
> I used this list for the LEDE developers:
> https://lede-project.org/about#people
> 
> With that vote the remerge is officially approved by the LEDE developers
> and also by the OpenWrt hackers.
> 
> 
> As a first step I would like to see the openwrt.org domain being
> transfered to the Software in the Public Interest, Inc (SPI) so the SPI
> can take the ownership of the domain in the name of the project, like
> they do for the debian.org domain name.
> Imre will you take care of this please.

Transferring the openwrt.org domain to the SPI is seen as a prerequisite
before the next steps will be taken by the LEDE developers.

@Imre: I assume this needs multiple steps, could you please update us on
the status of transferring the openwrt.org domain to the SPI please.

> Imre and John volunteered to represent us at the SPI. As I haven't read
> anybody having a problem with that in the mail threads, I assume that
> this is ok with everyone. Imre and John can you please also work on this
> topic. If anyone wants a formal vote on this or would like to have other
> people representing us please speak up now.

John said that he would represent the merged project at the SPI.

Hauke


From ericluehrsen at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 27 20:02:21 2017
From: ericluehrsen at hotmail.com (Eric Luehrsen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 03:02:21 +0000
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <a7e69b5c-f684-00d1-6770-0e493faa031a@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
 <331ff812-7bc2-9384-001e-0f02924723f5@hauke-m.de>
 <a7e69b5c-f684-00d1-6770-0e493faa031a@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <DM3PR1101MB1230EE4A07A9FAD2FD4404F4CCDD0@DM3PR1101MB1230.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On 06/27/2017 04:55 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
> On 06/26/2017 11:59 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
>> On 06/10/2017 03:13 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
>>> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
>>> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
>>> acknowledgment:
>>> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
>>> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
>>> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
>>>
>>> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
>>> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
>>> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
>>>
>>> Hauke
>> Sorry it took me longer to count the votes. ;-)
>>
>> The remerge proposal was acknowledged by the following LEDE developers:
>> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
>> Felix, Alexander, Piotr and Jonas (13)
>>
>> In addition it was acknowledged by the following OpenWrt hackers:
>> Zoltan, Miken, Imre and Matteo (4)
> John told me that OpenWrt is currently only represented by Imre, Luka
> und Zoltan, so Matteo and Mike then probably go into the next category,
> but this does not change the end result.
>
>> The following people I was unable to put into one of these groups also
>> acknowledged it: ;-)
>> Koen, Vincenzo, Alexandru and Eric (4)

This might be called an "advisory opinion" in some context. That is 
encouragement or suggestions from active participants eternal to the 
core group. It only has the power of persuasion and no authority.

>> I counted one Not acknowledge:
>> Jow (1)
>>
>> I used this list for the LEDE developers:
>> https://lede-project.org/about#people
>>
>> With that vote the remerge is officially approved by the LEDE developers
>> and also by the OpenWrt hackers.
>>
>>
>> As a first step I would like to see the openwrt.org domain being
>> transfered to the Software in the Public Interest, Inc (SPI) so the SPI
>> can take the ownership of the domain in the name of the project, like
>> they do for the debian.org domain name.
>> Imre will you take care of this please.
> Transferring the openwrt.org domain to the SPI is seen as a prerequisite
> before the next steps will be taken by the LEDE developers.
>
> @Imre: I assume this needs multiple steps, could you please update us on
> the status of transferring the openwrt.org domain to the SPI please.
>
>> Imre and John volunteered to represent us at the SPI. As I haven't read
>> anybody having a problem with that in the mail threads, I assume that
>> this is ok with everyone. Imre and John can you please also work on this
>> topic. If anyone wants a formal vote on this or would like to have other
>> people representing us please speak up now.
> John said that he would represent the merged project at the SPI.
>
> Hauke
>
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> Lede-dev at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev


From john at phrozen.org  Wed Jun 28 02:17:26 2017
From: john at phrozen.org (John Crispin)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:17:26 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
Message-ID: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>

Hi,

As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and 
has last week voted on remerging [1].

As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the 
SPI. These are Imre and John. As a first step
of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain 
ownership shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to 
ask how best to proceed.

     John

[1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html



From glp at openwrt.org  Wed Jun 28 07:08:49 2017
From: glp at openwrt.org (Gregers Petersen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:08:49 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
In-Reply-To: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
References: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <efdb1a2c-c4fc-6e7b-dcd1-144cf1431c4b@openwrt.org>

Hi All

Being the current SPI liaison for the OpenWrt.org project - I fully
acknowledge this change in appointed liaisons - and it should proceed as
requested by the OpenWrt.org project.

Sincerely


On 06/28/2017 11:17 AM, John Crispin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and
> has last week voted on remerging [1].
> 
> As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the
> SPI. These are Imre and John. As a first step
> of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain
> ownership shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
> should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to
> ask how best to proceed.
> 
>     John
> 
> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html

-- 

 Gregers Petersen
 Relationship manager, layer 8 and anthropology
 glp on irc

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          |__| W I R E L E S S   F R E E D O M
-----------------------------------------------------
 CHAOS CALMER (bleeding edge)
 -----------------------------------------------------
  * 1 1/2 oz Gin            Shake with a glassful
  * 1/4 oz Triple Sec       of broken ice and pour
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  * 1 tsp. Grenadine Syrup
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From tbm at cyrius.com  Fri Jun 30 02:02:46 2017
From: tbm at cyrius.com (Martin Michlmayr)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:02:46 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
In-Reply-To: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
References: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <20170630090246.mk5lz33yix36gp2q@jirafa.cyrius.com>

Hi John,

Regarding the domain transfer:

To do the transfer, you have to unlock the domain and make it possible
to transfer.  You have to get an auth code to transfer and then
contact hostmaster at spi-inc.org with the information so SPI can accept
the domain.

In terms of DNS, you have several options:

- Host your own DNS

- Have you hosted by SPI.

If you do the latter, please send the zone data.  We can give you
access to change it directly.

Martin


* John Crispin <john at phrozen.org> [2017-06-28 11:17]:
> Hi,
> 
> As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and has
> last week voted on remerging [1].
> 
> As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the SPI.
> These are Imre and John. As a first step
> of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain ownership
> shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
> should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to ask
> how best to proceed.
> 
>     John
> 
> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html

-- 
Martin Michlmayr
http://www.cyrius.com/


From tbm at cyrius.com  Fri Jun 30 02:05:58 2017
From: tbm at cyrius.com (Martin Michlmayr)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:05:58 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
In-Reply-To: <efdb1a2c-c4fc-6e7b-dcd1-144cf1431c4b@openwrt.org>
References: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
 <efdb1a2c-c4fc-6e7b-dcd1-144cf1431c4b@openwrt.org>
Message-ID: <20170630090558.bw2fghd6bovpeiqg@jirafa.cyrius.com>

Hi Gregers,

I can update the liaisons.  I see John Crispin <john at phrozen.org> but
I don't see an email address for Imri.  Which one should I use?

Martin

* Gregers Petersen <glp at openwrt.org> [2017-06-28 16:08]:
> Hi All
> 
> Being the current SPI liaison for the OpenWrt.org project - I fully
> acknowledge this change in appointed liaisons - and it should proceed as
> requested by the OpenWrt.org project.
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> 
> On 06/28/2017 11:17 AM, John Crispin wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and
> > has last week voted on remerging [1].
> > 
> > As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the
> > SPI. These are Imre and John. As a first step
> > of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain
> > ownership shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
> > should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to
> > ask how best to proceed.
> > 
> >     John
> > 
> > [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Gregers Petersen
>  Relationship manager, layer 8 and anthropology
>  glp on irc
> 
>   _______                     ________        __
>  |       |.-----.-----.-----.|  |  |  |.----.|  |_
>  |   -   ||  _  |  -__|     ||  |  |  ||   _||   _|
>  |_______||   __|_____|__|__||________||__|  |____|
>           |__| W I R E L E S S   F R E E D O M
> -----------------------------------------------------
>  CHAOS CALMER (bleeding edge)
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>   * 1 1/2 oz Gin            Shake with a glassful
>   * 1/4 oz Triple Sec       of broken ice and pour
>   * 3/4 oz Lime Juice       unstrained into a goblet.
>   * 1 1/2 oz Orange Juice
>   * 1 tsp. Grenadine Syrup
>  -----------------------------------------------------
> 




-- 
Martin Michlmayr
http://www.cyrius.com/


From kaloz at openwrt.org  Fri Jun 30 04:18:01 2017
From: kaloz at openwrt.org (Imre Kaloz)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:18:01 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
In-Reply-To: <20170630090558.bw2fghd6bovpeiqg@jirafa.cyrius.com>
References: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
 <efdb1a2c-c4fc-6e7b-dcd1-144cf1431c4b@openwrt.org>
 <20170630090558.bw2fghd6bovpeiqg@jirafa.cyrius.com>
Message-ID: <6dff2627-1cb7-bfcd-c46f-a92dde1926a3@openwrt.org>

Hi Martin,

Please use this one.


Best,

Imre


On 2017-06-30 11:05, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> Hi Gregers,
> 
> I can update the liaisons.  I see John Crispin <john at phrozen.org> but
> I don't see an email address for Imri.  Which one should I use?
> 
> Martin
> 
> * Gregers Petersen <glp at openwrt.org> [2017-06-28 16:08]:
>> Hi All
>>
>> Being the current SPI liaison for the OpenWrt.org project - I fully
>> acknowledge this change in appointed liaisons - and it should proceed as
>> requested by the OpenWrt.org project.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>>
>> On 06/28/2017 11:17 AM, John Crispin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and
>>> has last week voted on remerging [1].
>>>
>>> As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the
>>> SPI. These are Imre and John. As a first step
>>> of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain
>>> ownership shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
>>> should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to
>>> ask how best to proceed.
>>>
>>>      John
>>>
>>> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>   Gregers Petersen
>>   Relationship manager, layer 8 and anthropology
>>   glp on irc
>>
>>    _______                     ________        __
>>   |       |.-----.-----.-----.|  |  |  |.----.|  |_
>>   |   -   ||  _  |  -__|     ||  |  |  ||   _||   _|
>>   |_______||   __|_____|__|__||________||__|  |____|
>>            |__| W I R E L E S S   F R E E D O M
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>   CHAOS CALMER (bleeding edge)
>>   -----------------------------------------------------
>>    * 1 1/2 oz Gin            Shake with a glassful
>>    * 1/4 oz Triple Sec       of broken ice and pour
>>    * 3/4 oz Lime Juice       unstrained into a goblet.
>>    * 1 1/2 oz Orange Juice
>>    * 1 tsp. Grenadine Syrup
>>   -----------------------------------------------------
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 


From jo at mein.io  Sun Jun  4 15:01:51 2017
From: jo at mein.io (Jo-Philipp Wich)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 21:01:51 +0200
Subject: Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
Message-ID: <5d3c2a06-6c63-910c-a38e-6a3f274485f6@mein.io>

Hi,

I decided to delay 17.01.2 by another week to wait for Kernel 4.4.71
getting released which will fix a number of networking related
vulnerabilities.

The currently projected release date is Saturday, the 10th.

Regards,
Jo



From wigyori at uid0.hu  Tue Jun  6 09:43:46 2017
From: wigyori at uid0.hu (Zoltan HERPAI)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 15:43:46 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Hackers] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <5936B192.4090105@uid0.hu>

Hi,

John Crispin wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments 
> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please 
> remeber that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the 
> proposal with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>
> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
[snip]

As this seems to have turned into a voting thread as discussed on IRC 
with John, an ACK from me as well on this v3.

Regards,
Zoltan H




From hauke at hauke-m.de  Sat Jun 10 09:13:25 2017
From: hauke at hauke-m.de (Hauke Mehrtens)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:13:25 +0200
Subject: LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>

Hi,

As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
acknowledgment:
Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
Felix, Alexander, Piotr
If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.

I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.

If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.

Hauke

On 05/29/2017 09:03 AM, John Crispin wrote:
> (resend, this time as plain text)
> 
> Hi,
> 
> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
> 
> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
> 
> 
>         John
> 
> *) rules
> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
> 
> *) branding
> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most
> people said they did not care
> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is
> the only feasible option
> 
> *) domain
> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in
> various locations
> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to
> proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so
> that the openwrt domain also points at them
> 
> *) SPI
> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone
> else is interested let us know)
> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can
> be handed over
> 
> *) github
> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue
> tracker
> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and
> close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow)
> - close the lede PR tracker
> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
> 
> *) landing page
> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages
> announcing the remerge
> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current
> openwrt landing page
> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one
> appropriate to this century
> 
> *) trac
> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can
> still find the it
> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the
> bug.openwrt.org instance
> 
> *) IRC
> - add back cloaking
> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
> 
> *) email accounts
> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up
> their accounts
> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal
> business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the
> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
> 
> *) wiki / forum
> - TBD
> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both
> around
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
> 
> *) LF
> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
> 
> *) git trees
> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot
> and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this
> already)
> 
> *) mailing list
> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
> - send out invitation mails to the new list
> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
> 
> *) trademark policy
> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
> 
> *) timeline
> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
> 
>     John
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Lede-dev mailing list
> Lede-dev at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> openwrt-devel at lists.openwrt.org
> https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
> 
> 
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> lede-adm at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-adm



From vincenzo.romano at notorand.it  Tue Jun 13 05:04:31 2017
From: vincenzo.romano at notorand.it (Vincenzo Romano)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:04:31 +0200
Subject: LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <CAHjZ2x7q8+EbiVk1XbFoLcjOOoZiDC2vp8JLBOAzu1gsZNAkOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.
I think I already ACK'd the proposal.
I do confirm my ACK here.
--
Vincenzo Romano - NotOrAnd.IT
Information Technologies
--
NON QVIETIS MARIBVS NAVTA PERITVS


2017-06-10 15:13 GMT+02:00 Hauke Mehrtens <hauke at hauke-m.de>:
> Hi,
>
> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
> acknowledgment:
> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
>
> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
>
> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
>
> Hauke



From koen.vandeputte at ncentric.com  Tue Jun 13 05:19:47 2017
From: koen.vandeputte at ncentric.com (Koen Vandeputte)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:19:47 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <1d8593b8-ded7-4f41-67e0-8374297acaba@ncentric.com>

ACK from me.

Koen


On 2017-06-10 15:13, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
> acknowledgment:
> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
>
> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
>
> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
>
> Hauke




From jo at mein.io  Tue Jun 13 05:36:51 2017
From: jo at mein.io (Jo-Philipp Wich)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:36:51 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <c6e7bef5-5ebe-34ea-3ee8-e3a05a45884d@mein.io>

Hi,

NACK from me - not that it makes a difference but I do not like to
operate under the OpenWrt name.

~ Jo



From giu.lippolis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 14:45:23 2017
From: giu.lippolis at gmail.com (Giuseppe Lippolis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:45:23 +0200
Subject: AW: Lede-dev Digest, Vol 14, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <mailman.34820.1497373709.26984.lede-dev@lists.infradead.org>
References: <mailman.34820.1497373709.26984.lede-dev@lists.infradead.org>
Message-ID: <000001d2e475$37df3fd0$a79dbf70$@gmail.com>

Here my (official) opinion point by point:

> *) rules
> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
ACK

> *) branding
> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most
> people said they did not care
> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is
> the only feasible option
NACK

> *) domain
> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in
> various locations
> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to
> proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so
> that the openwrt domain also points at them
ACK

> *) SPI
> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone
> else is interested let us know)
> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can
> be handed over
ACK

> *) github
> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue
> tracker
> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and
> close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow)
> - close the lede PR tracker
> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
ACK

> *) landing page
> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages
> announcing the remerge
> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current
> openwrt landing page
> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one
> appropriate to this century
ACK

> *) trac
> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can
> still find the it
> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the
> bug.openwrt.org instance
NO OPINION

> *) IRC
> - add back cloaking
> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
NO OPINION

> *) email accounts
> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up
> their accounts
> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal
> business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the
> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
NO OPINION

> *) wiki / forum
> - TBD
> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both
> around
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
I prefer the OPENWRT forum
 
> *) LF
> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
ACK for the hosting and sponsorship

> *) git trees
> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot
> and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this
> already)
ACK merge (no rebrand to be coherent with the first point)

> *) mailing list
> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
> - send out invitation mails to the new list
> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
ACK

> *) trademark policy
> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
NO OPINION

> *) timeline
> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
ACK

Bye.





From giu.lippolis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 15:46:07 2017
From: giu.lippolis at gmail.com (Giuseppe Lippolis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 21:46:07 +0200
Subject: LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
Message-ID: <001501d2e47d$b3e267d0$1ba73770$@gmail.com>

Here my (official) opinion point by point:

> *) rules
> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
ACK

> *) branding
> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most 
> people said they did not care
> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand 
> is the only feasible option
NACK

> *) domain
> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in 
> various locations
> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how 
> to proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers 
> so that the openwrt domain also points at them
ACK

> *) SPI
> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if 
> anyone else is interested let us know)
> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains 
> can be handed over
ACK

> *) github
> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue 
> tracker
> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and 
> close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable 
> anyhow)
> - close the lede PR tracker
> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
ACK

> *) landing page
> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages 
> announcing the remerge
> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current 
> openwrt landing page
> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to 
> one appropriate to this century
ACK

> *) trac
> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can 
> still find the it
> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the 
> bug.openwrt.org instance
NO OPINION

> *) IRC
> - add back cloaking
> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
NO OPINION

> *) email accounts
> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 
> 3 owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that 
> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up 
> their accounts
> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal 
> business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the 
> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
NO OPINION

> *) wiki / forum
> - TBD
> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both 
> around
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
I prefer the OPENWRT forum
 
> *) LF
> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
ACK for the hosting and sponsorship

> *) git trees
> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot 
> and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this
> already)
ACK merge (no rebrand to be coherent with the first point)

> *) mailing list
> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
> - send out invitation mails to the new list
> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
ACK

> *) trademark policy
> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
NO OPINION

> *) timeline
> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
ACK

Bye.






From f.fainelli at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 15:58:17 2017
From: f.fainelli at gmail.com (Florian Fainelli)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:58:17 -0700
Subject: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>

On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
> 
> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.

ACK from me.
-- 
Florian



From john at phrozen.org  Wed Jun 14 01:43:29 2017
From: john at phrozen.org (John Crispin)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:43:29 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
 <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>



On 13/06/17 21:58, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
>> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
>> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
>> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>>
>> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
> ACK from me.
ACK from me also.



From mbm at openwrt.org  Thu Jun 15 01:23:07 2017
From: mbm at openwrt.org (Mike Baker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 22:23:07 -0700
Subject: [OpenWrt-Hackers] [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge
 proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
 <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>
 <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <bbcee7f3-3f60-39d0-6fb5-a3ef7ed189d5@openwrt.org>

On 6/13/2017 10:43 PM, John Crispin wrote:
> On 13/06/17 21:58, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
>>> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
>>> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
>>> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>>>
>>> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
>> ACK from me.
> ACK from me also.
ACK.



From jonas.gorski at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 05:20:33 2017
From: jonas.gorski at gmail.com (Jonas Gorski)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:20:33 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <CAOiHx==atPBo2sZBCvpvb05-ovfacjNww=T8GgmAzBFsPTKcfA@mail.gmail.com>

On 29 May 2017 at 09:03, John Crispin <john at phrozen.org> wrote:
> (resend, this time as plain text)
>
>
> Hi,
>
> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that
> post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many
> details will delay the remerge even more.
>
> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
>
>
>         John
>
> *) rules
> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
>
> *) branding
> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most
> people said they did not care
> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the
> only feasible option
>
> *) domain
> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various
> locations
> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to
> proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so
> that the openwrt domain also points at them
>
> *) SPI
> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone
> else is interested let us know)
> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be
> handed over
>
> *) github
> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue
> tracker
> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close
> the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow)
> - close the lede PR tracker
> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
>
> *) landing page
> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing
> the remerge
> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current
> openwrt landing page
> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one
> appropriate to this century
>
> *) trac
> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still
> find the it
> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the
> bug.openwrt.org instance
>
> *) IRC
> - add back cloaking
> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
>
> *) email accounts
> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their
> accounts
> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business,
> consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark
> policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
>
> *) wiki / forum
> - TBD
> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both
> around
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
>
> *) LF
> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
>
> *) git trees
> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and
> pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already)
>
> *) mailing list
> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
> - send out invitation mails to the new list
> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
>
> *) trademark policy
> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
>
> *) timeline
> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
>
>     John

ACK from me.


Regards
Jonas



From ryazanov.s.a at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 10:17:59 2017
From: ryazanov.s.a at gmail.com (Sergey Ryazanov)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:17:59 +0300
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
Message-ID: <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Jo-Philipp Wich <jo at mein.io> wrote:
> If you want specific fixes cherry-picked/backported to lede-17.01,
> please mention them in a reply to this mail.

I know its too late, since 17.01.2 already released, but could you
cherry-pick following two fixes to stable branch so they could appear
in next stable release:

commit fec38ebf0d0ffba22937e181941cea7d9cddf808
kernel: fix segmentation fault in mconf on linux

commit e06d8f0f6f041c8ac1acba810eea96c32dc983e4
build: new fixes for symlinked .config handling

-- 
Sergey



From vincenzo.romano at notorand.it  Thu Jun 15 10:38:33 2017
From: vincenzo.romano at notorand.it (Vincenzo Romano)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:38:33 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>

... and, if I may throw my EUR 0.02 in, why not recompile dropbear
with "elliptic curve" support?
It's there since 2013.61test!

--
Enzo



From jo at mein.io  Thu Jun 15 10:41:50 2017
From: jo at mein.io (Jo-Philipp Wich)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:41:50 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>

Hi,

> ... and, if I may throw my EUR 0.02 in, why not recompile dropbear
> with "elliptic curve" support?

whats the size impact?


~ Jo



From vincenzo.romano at notorand.it  Thu Jun 15 11:00:01 2017
From: vincenzo.romano at notorand.it (Vincenzo Romano)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:00:01 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>
Message-ID: <CAHjZ2x4b2SGe88gpXJHE-tx5QdmwzkNZuAJUpg3_PAVFz-Qjvw@mail.gmail.com>

2017-06-15 16:41 GMT+02:00 Jo-Philipp Wich <jo at mein.io>:
> Hi,
>
>> ... and, if I may throw my EUR 0.02 in, why not recompile dropbear
>> with "elliptic curve" support?
>
> whats the size impact?
>
>
> ~ Jo

>From the options.h file I read:

/* ECDSA is significantly faster than RSA or DSS. Compiling in ECC
 * code (either ECDSA or ECDH) increases binary size - around 30kB
 * on x86-64 */
#define DROPBEAR_ECDSA

/* Generate hostkeys as-needed when the first connection using that
key type occurs.
   This avoids the need to otherwise run "dropbearkey" and avoids some problems
   with badly seeded /dev/urandom when systems first boot.
   This also requires a runtime flag "-R". This adds ~4kB to binary
size (or hardly
   anything if dropbearkey is linked in a "dropbearmulti" binary) */
#define DROPBEAR_DELAY_HOSTKEY

/* Enable Curve25519 for key exchange. This is another elliptic
 * curve method with good security properties. Increases binary size
 * by ~8kB on x86-64 */
#define DROPBEAR_CURVE25519

/* Enable elliptic curve Diffie Hellman key exchange, see note about
 * ECDSA above */
#define DROPBEAR_ECDH

Then I have tried a compilation on my x86-64 macchine with defaults
(ECC enabled) and with those 4 options disabled.
In the first case I've got:

dbclient: 228504
dropbear: 233624
dropbearkey: 137736

While in the second one:

dbclient: 194136
dropbear: 203336
dropbearkey: 108120

More or less confirming what's in the options.h.
By rough comparison, my Archer C7 says its dropbear single binary is
176517 bytes long.
Unfortunately I haven't a cross compilation environment at hand right
now to provide RISC binary code sizes.

Maybe one could think about an alternative dropbear-full package.

--
Vincenzo Romano - NotOrAnd.IT
Information Technologies
--
NON QVIETIS MARIBVS NAVTA PERITVS



From vincenzo.romano at notorand.it  Thu Jun 15 12:03:26 2017
From: vincenzo.romano at notorand.it (Vincenzo Romano)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:03:26 +0200
Subject: Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <871sqlz1if.fsf@alrua-x1>
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>
 <CAHjZ2x4b2SGe88gpXJHE-tx5QdmwzkNZuAJUpg3_PAVFz-Qjvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <871sqlz1if.fsf@alrua-x1>
Message-ID: <CAHjZ2x4cw9AEuyh4620438FVjb9UpveaHhRFBpUEEK721shhMg@mail.gmail.com>

2017-06-15 17:58 GMT+02:00 Toke H?iland-J?rgensen <toke at toke.dk>:
> Vincenzo Romano <vincenzo.romano at notorand.it> writes:
>
>> Maybe one could think about an alternative dropbear-full package.
>
> What about disabling the older key types? Who really needs RSA these days? ;)
>
> -Toke

Me!
It's the only one available right now:

root at N0A-R0:~# dropbearkey
Must specify a key filename
Usage: dropbearkey -t <type> -f <filename> [-s bits]
-t type Type of key to generate. One of:
               rsa
-f filename    Use filename for the secret key.
              ~/.ssh/id_dropbear is recommended for client keys.
-s bits Key size in bits, should be a multiple of 8 (optional)
-y              Just print the publickey and fingerprint for the
               private key in <filename>.


--
Vincenzo Romano - NotOrAnd.IT
Information Technologies
--
NON QVIETIS MARIBVS NAVTA PERITVS



From toke at toke.dk  Thu Jun 15 11:58:16 2017
From: toke at toke.dk (=?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:58:16 +0200
Subject: Planning v17.01.2
In-Reply-To: <CAHjZ2x4b2SGe88gpXJHE-tx5QdmwzkNZuAJUpg3_PAVFz-Qjvw@mail.gmail.com>
 (Vincenzo Romano's message of "Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:00:01 +0200")
References: <96326ab0-aeb5-72e3-7627-d6e9a1b76281@mein.io>
 <CAHNKnsSnt+v2S2eaVBN1N8RRqvD+tsR1L8w+fX=rikm0BXZ9+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHjZ2x4ts384XP9ZUQzECe_zESZt62x_9NcP6orkh0ZvQaLTkA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a4b92859-ee7d-40f0-bad2-d7ec4a3e3eff@mein.io>
 <CAHjZ2x4b2SGe88gpXJHE-tx5QdmwzkNZuAJUpg3_PAVFz-Qjvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871sqlz1if.fsf@alrua-x1>

Vincenzo Romano <vincenzo.romano at notorand.it> writes:

> Maybe one could think about an alternative dropbear-full package.

What about disabling the older key types? Who really needs RSA these days? ;)

-Toke



From kaloz at openwrt.org  Tue Jun 20 16:49:28 2017
From: kaloz at openwrt.org (Imre Kaloz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:49:28 +0200
Subject: [OpenWrt-Hackers] [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge
 proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>
References: <b3c97320-c241-606b-bdc5-560d3d026d67@phrozen.org>
 <238f7d2c-3b90-7c5b-0eb4-76c0fc27280e@gmail.com>
 <41558b03-574e-42b0-b24d-bd16dcb16fae@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <7651b777-b434-842a-adb0-195cfab4e057@openwrt.org>

On 2017-06-14 07:43, John Crispin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13/06/17 21:58, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
>>> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
>>> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
>>> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>>>
>>> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
>> ACK from me.
> ACK from me also.
ACK from me, too.



From hauke at hauke-m.de  Mon Jun 26 17:59:52 2017
From: hauke at hauke-m.de (Hauke Mehrtens)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:59:52 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <331ff812-7bc2-9384-001e-0f02924723f5@hauke-m.de>

On 06/10/2017 03:13 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
> acknowledgment:
> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
> 
> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
> 
> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
> 
> Hauke

Sorry it took me longer to count the votes. ;-)

The remerge proposal was acknowledged by the following LEDE developers:
Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
Felix, Alexander, Piotr and Jonas (13)

In addition it was acknowledged by the following OpenWrt hackers:
Zoltan, Miken, Imre and Matteo (4)

The following people I was unable to put into one of these groups also
acknowledged it: ;-)
Koen, Vincenzo, Alexandru and Eric (4)

I counted one Not acknowledge:
Jow (1)

I used this list for the LEDE developers:
https://lede-project.org/about#people

With that vote the remerge is officially approved by the LEDE developers
and also by the OpenWrt hackers.


As a first step I would like to see the openwrt.org domain being
transfered to the Software in the Public Interest, Inc (SPI) so the SPI
can take the ownership of the domain in the name of the project, like
they do for the debian.org domain name.
Imre will you take care of this please.

Imre and John volunteered to represent us at the SPI. As I haven't read
anybody having a problem with that in the mail threads, I assume that
this is ok with everyone. Imre and John can you please also work on this
topic. If anyone wants a formal vote on this or would like to have other
people representing us please speak up now.

Hauke

> 
> On 05/29/2017 09:03 AM, John Crispin wrote:
>> (resend, this time as plain text)
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments
>> people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber
>> that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal
>> with many details will delay the remerge even more.
>>
>> Ideally we manage to vote during this week.
>>
>>
>>         John
>>
>> *) rules
>> - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system
>>
>> *) branding
>> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand
>> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most
>> people said they did not care
>> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is
>> the only feasible option
>>
>> *) domain
>> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org
>> - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean
>> - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in
>> various locations
>> - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server
>> - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance
>> - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to
>> proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress)
>> - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so
>> that the openwrt domain also points at them
>>
>> *) SPI
>> - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone
>> else is interested let us know)
>> - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules
>> - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can
>> be handed over
>>
>> *) github
>> - start pushing to the openwrt organisation
>> - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation
>> - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue
>> tracker
>> - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and
>> close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow)
>> - close the lede PR tracker
>> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months
>>
>> *) landing page
>> - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages
>> announcing the remerge
>> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name
>> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current
>> openwrt landing page
>> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page
>> - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one
>> appropriate to this century
>>
>> *) trac
>> - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can
>> still find the it
>> - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the
>> bug.openwrt.org instance
>>
>> *) IRC
>> - add back cloaking
>> - give people channel ownership/admin rights
>>
>> *) email accounts
>> - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3
>> owrt devs would like to keep theirs active)
>> - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that
>> anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to
>> - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up
>> their accounts
>> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal
>> business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
>> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the
>> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
>>
>> *) wiki / forum
>> - TBD
>> - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both
>> around
>> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
>>
>> *) LF
>> - find out what doubts folks have about LF
>> - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?!
>> - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge
>>
>> *) git trees
>> - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt
>> - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot
>> and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this
>> already)
>>
>> *) mailing list
>> - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists
>> - send out invitation mails to the new list
>> - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists
>>
>> *) trademark policy
>> - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark)
>>
>> *) timeline
>> - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week
>> - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that
>>
>>     John




From hauke at hauke-m.de  Tue Jun 27 16:55:05 2017
From: hauke at hauke-m.de (Hauke Mehrtens)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:55:05 +0200
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <331ff812-7bc2-9384-001e-0f02924723f5@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
 <331ff812-7bc2-9384-001e-0f02924723f5@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <a7e69b5c-f684-00d1-6770-0e493faa031a@hauke-m.de>

On 06/26/2017 11:59 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
> On 06/10/2017 03:13 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
>> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
>> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
>> acknowledgment:
>> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
>> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
>> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
>>
>> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
>>
>> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
>> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
>> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
>>
>> Hauke
> 
> Sorry it took me longer to count the votes. ;-)
> 
> The remerge proposal was acknowledged by the following LEDE developers:
> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
> Felix, Alexander, Piotr and Jonas (13)
> 
> In addition it was acknowledged by the following OpenWrt hackers:
> Zoltan, Miken, Imre and Matteo (4)

John told me that OpenWrt is currently only represented by Imre, Luka
und Zoltan, so Matteo and Mike then probably go into the next category,
but this does not change the end result.

> The following people I was unable to put into one of these groups also
> acknowledged it: ;-)
> Koen, Vincenzo, Alexandru and Eric (4)
> 
> I counted one Not acknowledge:
> Jow (1)
> 
> I used this list for the LEDE developers:
> https://lede-project.org/about#people
> 
> With that vote the remerge is officially approved by the LEDE developers
> and also by the OpenWrt hackers.
> 
> 
> As a first step I would like to see the openwrt.org domain being
> transfered to the Software in the Public Interest, Inc (SPI) so the SPI
> can take the ownership of the domain in the name of the project, like
> they do for the debian.org domain name.
> Imre will you take care of this please.

Transferring the openwrt.org domain to the SPI is seen as a prerequisite
before the next steps will be taken by the LEDE developers.

@Imre: I assume this needs multiple steps, could you please update us on
the status of transferring the openwrt.org domain to the SPI please.

> Imre and John volunteered to represent us at the SPI. As I haven't read
> anybody having a problem with that in the mail threads, I assume that
> this is ok with everyone. Imre and John can you please also work on this
> topic. If anyone wants a formal vote on this or would like to have other
> people representing us please speak up now.

John said that he would represent the merged project at the SPI.

Hauke



From ericluehrsen at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 27 23:02:21 2017
From: ericluehrsen at hotmail.com (Eric Luehrsen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 03:02:21 +0000
Subject: [LEDE-DEV] LEDE call for vote on remerge proposal V3
In-Reply-To: <a7e69b5c-f684-00d1-6770-0e493faa031a@hauke-m.de>
References: <88bfa9e9-634f-f504-bdc3-e01185c4acaa@phrozen.org>
 <19048138-1a1f-f243-4fc1-b8c5163709a8@hauke-m.de>
 <331ff812-7bc2-9384-001e-0f02924723f5@hauke-m.de>
 <a7e69b5c-f684-00d1-6770-0e493faa031a@hauke-m.de>
Message-ID: <DM3PR1101MB1230EE4A07A9FAD2FD4404F4CCDD0@DM3PR1101MB1230.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On 06/27/2017 04:55 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
> On 06/26/2017 11:59 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
>> On 06/10/2017 03:13 PM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As many already acknowledged this proposal I would like to call for an
>>> official vote among the LEDE committers till 14.6.2017 on this proposal.
>>> I counted the following replays to the proposal already as an
>>> acknowledgment:
>>> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
>>> Felix, Alexander, Piotr
>>> If you till ack it, you do not have to do it again.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen any NACK among the LEDE committers till now.
>>>
>>> If this will get accepted by the LEDE committers and also the OpenWrt
>>> core developers accept it, I would like the OpenWrt core developers
>>> start with migrating the openwrt.org domain to the SPI as a first step.
>>>
>>> Hauke
>> Sorry it took me longer to count the votes. ;-)
>>
>> The remerge proposal was acknowledged by the following LEDE developers:
>> Steven, Matthias, Stijn, Hauke, Florian, Daniel, Hans, John, Rafa?,
>> Felix, Alexander, Piotr and Jonas (13)
>>
>> In addition it was acknowledged by the following OpenWrt hackers:
>> Zoltan, Miken, Imre and Matteo (4)
> John told me that OpenWrt is currently only represented by Imre, Luka
> und Zoltan, so Matteo and Mike then probably go into the next category,
> but this does not change the end result.
>
>> The following people I was unable to put into one of these groups also
>> acknowledged it: ;-)
>> Koen, Vincenzo, Alexandru and Eric (4)

This might be called an "advisory opinion" in some context. That is 
encouragement or suggestions from active participants eternal to the 
core group. It only has the power of persuasion and no authority.

>> I counted one Not acknowledge:
>> Jow (1)
>>
>> I used this list for the LEDE developers:
>> https://lede-project.org/about#people
>>
>> With that vote the remerge is officially approved by the LEDE developers
>> and also by the OpenWrt hackers.
>>
>>
>> As a first step I would like to see the openwrt.org domain being
>> transfered to the Software in the Public Interest, Inc (SPI) so the SPI
>> can take the ownership of the domain in the name of the project, like
>> they do for the debian.org domain name.
>> Imre will you take care of this please.
> Transferring the openwrt.org domain to the SPI is seen as a prerequisite
> before the next steps will be taken by the LEDE developers.
>
> @Imre: I assume this needs multiple steps, could you please update us on
> the status of transferring the openwrt.org domain to the SPI please.
>
>> Imre and John volunteered to represent us at the SPI. As I haven't read
>> anybody having a problem with that in the mail threads, I assume that
>> this is ok with everyone. Imre and John can you please also work on this
>> topic. If anyone wants a formal vote on this or would like to have other
>> people representing us please speak up now.
> John said that he would represent the merged project at the SPI.
>
> Hauke
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lede-dev mailing list
> Lede-dev at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev


From john at phrozen.org  Wed Jun 28 05:17:26 2017
From: john at phrozen.org (John Crispin)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:17:26 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
Message-ID: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>

Hi,

As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and 
has last week voted on remerging [1].

As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the 
SPI. These are Imre and John. As a first step
of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain 
ownership shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to 
ask how best to proceed.

     John

[1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html




From glp at openwrt.org  Wed Jun 28 10:08:49 2017
From: glp at openwrt.org (Gregers Petersen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:08:49 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
In-Reply-To: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
References: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <efdb1a2c-c4fc-6e7b-dcd1-144cf1431c4b@openwrt.org>

Hi All

Being the current SPI liaison for the OpenWrt.org project - I fully
acknowledge this change in appointed liaisons - and it should proceed as
requested by the OpenWrt.org project.

Sincerely


On 06/28/2017 11:17 AM, John Crispin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and
> has last week voted on remerging [1].
> 
> As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the
> SPI. These are Imre and John. As a first step
> of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain
> ownership shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
> should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to
> ask how best to proceed.
> 
>     John
> 
> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html

-- 

 Gregers Petersen
 Relationship manager, layer 8 and anthropology
 glp on irc

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-----------------------------------------------------
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  * 1/4 oz Triple Sec       of broken ice and pour
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From tbm at cyrius.com  Fri Jun 30 05:02:46 2017
From: tbm at cyrius.com (Martin Michlmayr)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:02:46 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
In-Reply-To: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
References: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
Message-ID: <20170630090246.mk5lz33yix36gp2q@jirafa.cyrius.com>

Hi John,

Regarding the domain transfer:

To do the transfer, you have to unlock the domain and make it possible
to transfer.  You have to get an auth code to transfer and then
contact hostmaster at spi-inc.org with the information so SPI can accept
the domain.

In terms of DNS, you have several options:

- Host your own DNS

- Have you hosted by SPI.

If you do the latter, please send the zone data.  We can give you
access to change it directly.

Martin


* John Crispin <john at phrozen.org> [2017-06-28 11:17]:
> Hi,
> 
> As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and has
> last week voted on remerging [1].
> 
> As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the SPI.
> These are Imre and John. As a first step
> of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain ownership
> shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
> should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to ask
> how best to proceed.
> 
>     John
> 
> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html

-- 
Martin Michlmayr
http://www.cyrius.com/



From tbm at cyrius.com  Fri Jun 30 05:05:58 2017
From: tbm at cyrius.com (Martin Michlmayr)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:05:58 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
In-Reply-To: <efdb1a2c-c4fc-6e7b-dcd1-144cf1431c4b@openwrt.org>
References: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
 <efdb1a2c-c4fc-6e7b-dcd1-144cf1431c4b@openwrt.org>
Message-ID: <20170630090558.bw2fghd6bovpeiqg@jirafa.cyrius.com>

Hi Gregers,

I can update the liaisons.  I see John Crispin <john at phrozen.org> but
I don't see an email address for Imri.  Which one should I use?

Martin

* Gregers Petersen <glp at openwrt.org> [2017-06-28 16:08]:
> Hi All
> 
> Being the current SPI liaison for the OpenWrt.org project - I fully
> acknowledge this change in appointed liaisons - and it should proceed as
> requested by the OpenWrt.org project.
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> 
> On 06/28/2017 11:17 AM, John Crispin wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and
> > has last week voted on remerging [1].
> > 
> > As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the
> > SPI. These are Imre and John. As a first step
> > of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain
> > ownership shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
> > should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to
> > ask how best to proceed.
> > 
> >     John
> > 
> > [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Gregers Petersen
>  Relationship manager, layer 8 and anthropology
>  glp on irc
> 
>   _______                     ________        __
>  |       |.-----.-----.-----.|  |  |  |.----.|  |_
>  |   -   ||  _  |  -__|     ||  |  |  ||   _||   _|
>  |_______||   __|_____|__|__||________||__|  |____|
>           |__| W I R E L E S S   F R E E D O M
> -----------------------------------------------------
>  CHAOS CALMER (bleeding edge)
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>   * 1 1/2 oz Gin            Shake with a glassful
>   * 1/4 oz Triple Sec       of broken ice and pour
>   * 3/4 oz Lime Juice       unstrained into a goblet.
>   * 1 1/2 oz Orange Juice
>   * 1 tsp. Grenadine Syrup
>  -----------------------------------------------------
> 




-- 
Martin Michlmayr
http://www.cyrius.com/



From kaloz at openwrt.org  Fri Jun 30 07:18:01 2017
From: kaloz at openwrt.org (Imre Kaloz)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:18:01 +0200
Subject: OpenWrt domain ownership
In-Reply-To: <20170630090558.bw2fghd6bovpeiqg@jirafa.cyrius.com>
References: <23bc0795-b0b6-0b4d-e1a9-5f32ee393484@phrozen.org>
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Hi Martin,

Please use this one.


Best,

Imre


On 2017-06-30 11:05, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> Hi Gregers,
> 
> I can update the liaisons.  I see John Crispin <john at phrozen.org> but
> I don't see an email address for Imri.  Which one should I use?
> 
> Martin
> 
> * Gregers Petersen <glp at openwrt.org> [2017-06-28 16:08]:
>> Hi All
>>
>> Being the current SPI liaison for the OpenWrt.org project - I fully
>> acknowledge this change in appointed liaisons - and it should proceed as
>> requested by the OpenWrt.org project.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>>
>> On 06/28/2017 11:17 AM, John Crispin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As you probably know the OpenWrt project split up into two projects and
>>> has last week voted on remerging [1].
>>>
>>> As part of this remerge, two new liaisons have been appointed for the
>>> SPI. These are Imre and John. As a first step
>>> of the remerge it has been decided, that the openwrt.org domain
>>> ownership shall be passed on to a neutral entity which
>>> should ideally be the SPI. We hope this is feasible and would like to
>>> ask how best to proceed.
>>>
>>>      John
>>>
>>> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-dev/2017-June/008138.html
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>   Gregers Petersen
>>   Relationship manager, layer 8 and anthropology
>>   glp on irc
>>
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