[sig-hypervisors] [RISC-V] [tech-unixplatformspec] SBI Debug Console Extension Proposal (Draft v1)
Anup Patel
apatel at ventanamicro.com
Thu Jun 2 20:00:45 PDT 2022
Hi Stefano,
On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:35 AM Stefano Stabellini
<stefano.stabellini at xilinx.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, Greg Favor wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 1:29 PM Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini at xilinx.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, Vedvyas Shanbhogue via lists.riscv.org wrote:
> > > Of course a console is needed. But I was questioning the need for something much
> > > more elaborate than a putchar/getchar interface. I understand its needed to port
> > > the hypervisor but I undersatnd it would be needed for very early parts of the
> > > hypervisor where it does not even have the ability to master a uart on its own.
> >
> > Yeah, I think you are right that it is not a must-have feature but a
> > nice-to-have feature.
> >
> >
> > Even though we all (me included) tend to think that slowing down something like this will be inconsequential to the time to boot and/or who
> > cares how fast or slow is boot time, in the past I have found that to be a risky presumption in certain production environments where boot
> > time matters (especially with frequent standing up of VMs from scratch). So a worthwhile sanity check question would be 1) what percentage
> > of early boot time is spent writing to the console with per-string SBI calls, and 2) by what order of magnitude does that percentage
> > inflate due to SBI calls for every individual character.
>
> The numbers you asked will help but I just wanted to add that in my
> opinion a per-character putchar interface is not suitable for production
> due to the reasons you mentioned. I would compile it out in non-DEBUG
> builds.
>
> On the other hand the per-string print interface might be usable in
> production, even not just early boot. However, of course, a proper UART
> driver would be even better.
>
> This is why I think it is nice to have: it expands the potential uses of
> the SBI console interface, and it is simple and easy to use. At the same
> time it is not a must-have because you could get away with just putchat
> in early boot for DEBUG builds, and nothing + UART driver in non-DEBUG
> builds.
>
> That is why I am in favor of this addition, although I recognize it is
> not critical.
We have legacy SBI v0.1 calls where most of them are replaced by
newer SBI v0.2 (or higher) calls. Only the SBI v0.1 putchar() does not
have a replacement. This putchar() was being used in various cases
for early prints from OSes and bootloaders.
The SBI debug console extension is an attempt to replace the legacy
SBI v0.1 putchar(). The use of shared memory in this proposal is
motivated by the need to allow users to print multiple characters in
one SBI call.
The legacy SBI v0.1 also had a getchar() call which is deprecated and
does not need any newer SBI call replacing it because it is expected
all platforms (including virtual platforms emulated by hypervisors) will
have a proper interrupt driver console for supervisor software. The
proposed SBI debug console extension only tries to provide a solution
for early prints.
Regards,
Anup
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