From srovner at dial-law.com  Thu Dec  2 15:01:31 2004
From: srovner at dial-law.com (Steven Rovner)
Date: Fri Dec  3 08:33:46 2004
Subject: Replacement for Netwinder
Message-ID: <02a701c4d8a9$b7e29910$810a0a0a@portable>

Our netwinder is fairly old now and with each problem we encounter it is
more and more difficult to support.  Do I stick with it, or replace it?
What are people using to replace the netwinder with a similarly functioning
piece of hardware?


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From ralphs at netwinder.org  Fri Dec  3 09:05:30 2004
From: ralphs at netwinder.org (Ralph Siemsen)
Date: Fri Dec  3 09:05:39 2004
Subject: Replacement for Netwinder
In-Reply-To: <02a701c4d8a9$b7e29910$810a0a0a@portable>
References: <02a701c4d8a9$b7e29910$810a0a0a@portable>
Message-ID: <41B072AA.3040608@netwinder.org>

Steven Rovner wrote:

> Our netwinder is fairly old now and with each problem we encounter it is
> more and more difficult to support.  Do I stick with it, or replace it?
> What are people using to replace the netwinder with a similarly functioning
> piece of hardware?

What do you need it to do?  If it is just sharing an internet 
connection, you can buy a little router from futureshop/bestbuy/etc. 
that will handle that functionality.

If you want to do web serving, mail, ftp, other such services, these are 
items that regularly need security updating (so it seems).  So its a 
moving target, you need to "keep up" with development efforts to a 
certain extent.

Are you having actual hardware problems?  Other than the disk drive, I'm 
not aware of any other parts that seem to "wear out" over time...

-Ralph

From x at duanehanson.com  Thu Dec  9 11:46:31 2004
From: x at duanehanson.com (Duane Hanson)
Date: Thu Dec  9 12:15:54 2004
Subject: FW: disregard
Message-ID: <BC6400lHsc7QPwFCOAe00008862@bc6400.ny1.bricolagecap.com>

Hello,

For a few years now I have been using the netwinder to pop mail, and when I
send out mail I use my ISP's smtp server.  I'd now like to use the netwinder
smtp server but I get the message below (relaying denied) when I try to send
out an e-mail.  

The netwinder is external from the network I am on and I have the following
settings checked off in my Outlook:

"my outgoing (smtp) server requires authentication"  and
"logon to incoming mail server before sending mail"

Is there any setting I am missing here within Outlook or on the Netwinder?

Thank you

-----Original Message-----
From: System Administrator 
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:30 AM
To: Davin Singh
Subject: Undeliverable: disregard

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	disregard
      Sent:	12/9/2004 11:30 AM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      Davin Singh on 12/9/2004 11:30 AM
            550 <dsingh@laurusfunds.com>... Relaying denied

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From ralphs at netwinder.org  Thu Dec  9 13:24:28 2004
From: ralphs at netwinder.org (Ralph Siemsen)
Date: Thu Dec  9 13:24:39 2004
Subject: FW: disregard
In-Reply-To: <BC6400lHsc7QPwFCOAe00008862@bc6400.ny1.bricolagecap.com>
References: <BC6400lHsc7QPwFCOAe00008862@bc6400.ny1.bricolagecap.com>
Message-ID: <41B8985C.4060909@netwinder.org>

Duane Hanson wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> For a few years now I have been using the netwinder to pop mail, and 
> when I send out mail I use my ISP?s smtp server.  I?d now like to use 
> the netwinder smtp server but I get the message below (relaying denied) 
> when I try to send out an e-mail.

I suspect two things happening here:

1) the mail you are getting back is not from your netwinder... the name 
"System Administrator" is characteristic of MS-Exchange servers, not the 
sendmail program used on the netwinder.

> ***From:* System Administrator

2) You need to tell the netwinder which domains (laurasfunds.com) it is 
"serving".  This means either setting the netwinder's domain to match, 
or else adding to the sendmail configuration files, the extra domain 
name(s).

Depending on your ISP, it may not be possible for you to send mail 
directly from your netwinder - as ISP's become more accountable for the 
mail their users send out, many of them are forcing you to go via their 
servers so that they have an accurate record of who is sending what.

-R

From gareth at moon127.net  Fri Dec 10 06:36:43 2004
From: gareth at moon127.net (Gareth Woolridge)
Date: Fri Dec 10 06:36:11 2004
Subject: My Netwinder is back...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412101132200.17197-100000@sun1.moon127.net>

Well its taken me a while admittedly, but my netwinder is now back up and
running.

Admittedly, Ive got debian on it, just as a personal choice thing since I
use debian at work.

I acquired a second hand 20GB hitachi laptop drive, and its certainly a
lot quiter, less clunky, and more stable than it was before.

Ive made a .deb package of kernel-image-2.4.25-vrs-nw1 from the sources
and patches Ralph supplied me with about a year ago, plus Ive added the
ebtables patch with bridge-nf to enable iptables interaction with the
bridging code.  No idea if that bit works yet, but it compiled up and
seems stable.  I'll get round to testing the extended functionality in the
new year.

Its good to be back...

-- 
Gareth Woolridge


From davebury at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 12 04:28:38 2004
From: davebury at hotmail.com (dave bury)
Date: Sun Dec 12 04:29:15 2004
Subject: 2100 netwinder reinstall
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1102767144.20798.netwinder@netwinder.org>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F25950F613547C76B604F7EC5AA0@phx.gbl>

Hi all I need to reinstall the OS on my 2100 netwinder.
I am new to Linux and would like a walk through for installing the OS from 
scratch.
I have another pc with Linux on and a 2.5-3.5 inch hard drive adapter so I 
can connect the netwinder hard drive to this system and I have the CD that 
came with the netwinder when new with the rescue image on (I think)or can I 
get a more up-to-date version of the net??
thanks
bedge



From ralphs at netwinder.org  Sun Dec 12 11:21:19 2004
From: ralphs at netwinder.org (Ralph Siemsen)
Date: Sun Dec 12 11:21:49 2004
Subject: 2100 netwinder reinstall
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F25950F613547C76B604F7EC5AA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F25950F613547C76B604F7EC5AA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41BC6FFF.502@netwinder.org>

dave bury wrote:
> Hi all I need to reinstall the OS on my 2100 netwinder.
> I am new to Linux and would like a walk through for installing the OS 
> from scratch.
> I have another pc with Linux on and a 2.5-3.5 inch hard drive adapter so 
> I can connect the netwinder hard drive to this system and I have the CD 
> that came with the netwinder when new with the rescue image on (I 
> think)or can I get a more up-to-date version of the net??

Ah, bit of confusion about the rescue image.   This referrs to the small 
(a couple of MB) "reserved" area at the end of the hard drive, 
containing a  very minimal environment.  The idea is that this can be 
used to reload the rest of the hard drive, without having to resort to 
taking the drive out and putting it in another PC.

The CDROM you have contains a full disk image of what was originally 
shipped on the drive.  It can be reinstalled via the rescue image. 
Instructions for how to use this can be found in section 8.5 of the FAQ 
at http://www.netwinder.org/faq.html and in greater detail in the 
Rescue-HOWTO at http://www.netwinder.org/howto/Rescue-HOWTO.html

If you want to try the "direct" method using your PC, that is also 
possible.  It is covered in chapter 4 of the Disk-Upgrade howto at
http://www.netwinder.org/howto/Disk-Update-HOWTO.html

The big question of "what to put on" is more difficult to answer.  The 
image on the CDROM you got with the netwinder is probably close to 5 
years old.  There are doubless many security vulnerabilities in those 
rather dated packeges.  There are no newer "OfficeServer" images since 
Rebel went bankrupt... and the web GUI for administration was their 
proprietary product.

There are a few choices of "plain linux" distributions... available from 
netwinder.org is the "NW9" image, which is a based on Redhat9.  That 
image can be found on our ftp mirror sites under pub/netwinder/images 
directory. Another choice is the Debian linux 
(http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/arm/).

Cheers
-Ralph

From dfn_doe at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 26 01:24:12 2004
From: dfn_doe at yahoo.com (dave pratt)
Date: Sun Dec 26 10:47:32 2004
Subject: How to upgrade the firmware w/o a bootable disk image.
Message-ID: <20041226062412.95086.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com>

So I have a really old netwinder which will not boot
the newer (post 2.0 kernel) images because cannot pass
the options to the kernel correctly. The drive
currently has a fresh image on it that is based on one
of the 2.2 series kernels... Is there an easy way for
me to upgrade the netrom? I've tried looking every
where on google and have been unable to come up with
an old disk image which with a 2.0 series kernel...

any help would be greatly appreciated.

From ralphs at netwinder.org  Sun Dec 26 10:56:42 2004
From: ralphs at netwinder.org (Ralph Siemsen)
Date: Sun Dec 26 10:56:54 2004
Subject: How to upgrade the firmware w/o a bootable disk image.
In-Reply-To: <20041226062412.95086.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041226062412.95086.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041226155642.GA21151@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 10:24:12PM -0800, dave pratt wrote:

> So I have a really old netwinder which will not boot
> the newer (post 2.0 kernel) images because cannot pass
> the options to the kernel correctly. The drive
> currently has a fresh image on it that is based on one
> of the 2.2 series kernels... Is there an easy way for
> me to upgrade the netrom? I've tried looking every
> where on google and have been unable to come up with
> an old disk image which with a 2.0 series kernel...

Other that JTAG, the only way to upgrade the firmware is to boot up far
enoug that you can run the "flashwrite" utility.  It has been a long while
but I suspect you will want the 990121 kernel (or earlier)

http://netwinder.osuosl.org/pub/netwinder/kernel/old-kernels/nwkernbin-990121.tar.gz

You can get this kernel to boot either via netboot (ethernet), by serial
download, or by getting it on the hard drive somehow (eg. other PC).

See also the "firmware compatibility guide":
http://netwinder.osuosl.org/users/r/ralphs/public_html/compat.html

-R

From ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 26 17:50:32 2004
From: ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com (ninjasuit2000-netwinder@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Dec 26 17:50:42 2004
Subject: Netwinder Digest, Vol 4, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <E1CibkV-0007wk-0g@canuck.infradead.org>
Message-ID: <20041226225032.94403.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com>

> Other that JTAG, the only way to upgrade the
> firmware is to boot up far
> enoug that you can run the "flashwrite" utility.  It
> has been a long while
> but I suspect you will want the 990121 kernel (or
> earlier)
> 
>
http://netwinder.osuosl.org/pub/netwinder/kernel/old-kernels/nwkernbin-990121.tar.gz
> 
> You can get this kernel to boot either via netboot
> (ethernet), by serial
> download, or by getting it on the hard drive somehow
> (eg. other PC).
> 
> See also the "firmware compatibility guide":
>
http://netwinder.osuosl.org/users/r/ralphs/public_html/compat.html
> 
> -R

Okay, I've managed to get it to boot an old 2.0 series
kernel(981006) via tftp and then use the "rescue"
diskimage I found at ftp.netwinder.org I then copied
the necessary flash module from the 981006 modules tgz
available at ftp.netwinder.org... The module appears
to load fine with insmod, but when i attempt to use
the flashwrite command as detailed in the firmware
howto it complains that it cannot find the flash
device...

I'm soooo close I can taste it.. Any help would be
greatly appreciated... Do I need to creat a device
node or something?

From ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 26 18:27:51 2004
From: ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com (ninjasuit2000-netwinder@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Dec 26 18:28:04 2004
Subject: It Worked!!!
Message-ID: <20041226232751.20527.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com>

I finally figured out what device node needed to be
created (I'm not sure how I missed that when I read
the howto like 10 times) netrom 2.3.3 now boots :)

Yay!


From ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 26 18:37:35 2004
From: ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com (ninjasuit2000-netwinder@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Dec 26 18:37:41 2004
Subject: "no init found"
Message-ID: <20041226233735.22510.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com>

Well now that I've got the netrom upgraded to 2.3.3 it
seems that the kernel panics when attemptign to load..

Freeing unused kernel memory: 20k init 4k ebsa285/cats
Kernel panic: No init found. Try passign init= option
to kernel.

Any guesses?

From ralphs at netwinder.org  Mon Dec 27 11:20:37 2004
From: ralphs at netwinder.org (Ralph Siemsen)
Date: Mon Dec 27 11:20:47 2004
Subject: "no init found"
In-Reply-To: <20041226233735.22510.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041226233735.22510.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041227162037.GA22056@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>

On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 03:37:35PM -0800, ninjasuit2000-netwinder@yahoo.com wrote:
> Well now that I've got the netrom upgraded to 2.3.3 it
> seems that the kernel panics when attemptign to load..
> 
> Freeing unused kernel memory: 20k init 4k ebsa285/cats
> Kernel panic: No init found. Try passign init= option
> to kernel.

So the kernel is booting fine now.. it is complaining about the root
filesystem now.  A few lines above the message you pasted, it should
say something like "VFS: mounted root filesystem"... can you check that
message carefully to see that it is looking in the right place?  You
may have to adjust the "rootdev" parameter in nettrom to specify the correct
disk partition.

-R

From ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 27 18:49:55 2004
From: ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com (ninjasuit2000-netwinder@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Dec 27 18:50:10 2004
Subject: "no init found"
In-Reply-To: <20041227162037.GA22056@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20041227234955.4992.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ralph Siemsen <ralphs@netwinder.org> wrote:
> So the kernel is booting fine now.. it is
> complaining about the root
> filesystem now.  A few lines above the message you
> pasted, it should
> say something like "VFS: mounted root filesystem"...
> can you check that
> message carefully to see that it is looking in the
> right place?  You
> may have to adjust the "rootdev" parameter in
> nettrom to specify the correct
> disk partition.

The message it gives is:
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.

Which indicates to me that it is looking in the right
spot since I only have 2 partitions on the disk 1 swap
and 1 that is formatted ext2... 
In netrom I have rootdev set to /dev/hda1 which should
correspond to the ext2 partition on the drive. 
I'm not sure if makes any difference, but the
partitions are numbered backwards on the drive, so
hda2 is physically before hda1. I set it up this way
to take advantage of the faster seek times for the
swap partition and I've run systems setup this way for
years, so I can't see that it would be causing any problems...

From ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 28 01:15:54 2004
From: ninjasuit2000-netwinder at yahoo.com (ninjasuit2000-netwinder@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Dec 28 01:16:00 2004
Subject: It Works!
Message-ID: <20041228061554.80067.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com>

I finally figured out that the problem is that I
accidently formatted the hda1 partition as ext3 when I
swapped the drives to install the new image. I
managaed to boot this time via tftp and nfs root and
wipe the drive and put a proper filesystem on it along
with the nw-9 image

Everything seems to be working as advertised, I even
installed yum to do some automatic updating. I'm
curious though if there is a way to have yum fetch
SRPMS and then build them on the fly...

Also, I've seen some mention of nwlilo, but couldn't
find any good info on it from google. Any info would
be awesome.

-Dave

From ralphs at netwinder.org  Tue Dec 28 09:59:57 2004
From: ralphs at netwinder.org (Ralph Siemsen)
Date: Tue Dec 28 10:00:20 2004
Subject: "no init found"
In-Reply-To: <20041227234955.4992.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041227234955.4992.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D174ED.5030301@netwinder.org>

ninjasuit2000-netwinder@yahoo.com wrote:

> The message it gives is:
> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.

Good - although its possible to get that message when booting a 
comressed ramdisk as well.  Best to also check early in the kernel's 
messages where it echos the command line give to it, which will include 
root=/dev/hda1 or similar.

> Which indicates to me that it is looking in the right
> spot since I only have 2 partitions on the disk 1 swap
> and 1 that is formatted ext2... 
> In netrom I have rootdev set to /dev/hda1 which should
> correspond to the ext2 partition on the drive. 
> I'm not sure if makes any difference, but the
> partitions are numbered backwards on the drive, so
> hda2 is physically before hda1. I set it up this way
> to take advantage of the faster seek times for the
> swap partition and I've run systems setup this way for
> years, so I can't see that it would be causing any problems...

Hmm... its perfectly fine to swap around your partitions any way you 
like, but I've never tried "reordering" the partitions as you describe- 
normally I would just make /dev/hda1 the swap and /dev/hda2 the root... 
then set both "kerndev" and "rootdev" to /dev/hda2 in the firmware...

Check that /sbin/init really does exist on the partition you are trying 
to boot from.  When /sbin/init cannot be found, it tries a few other 
things including /bin/sh which you should definately have.  Since it 
cannot find any of these, the most likely problem is the wrong partition 
being booted, or else all the files on the partition are shifted down 
into a subdirectory perhaps...?

-Ralph

