[PATCH] nvme: Change our APST table to be no more aggressive than Intel RSTe

Mario.Limonciello at dell.com Mario.Limonciello at dell.com
Mon May 15 09:11:21 PDT 2017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lutomirski [mailto:luto at kernel.org]
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 7:28 AM
> To: Andy Lutomirski <luto at kernel.org>
> Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe at kernel.dk>; linux-kernel at vger.kernel.org; Kai-Heng Feng
> <kai.heng.feng at canonical.com>; linux-nvme <linux-nvme at lists.infradead.org>;
> Christoph Hellwig <hch at lst.de>; Sagi Grimberg <sagi at grimberg.me>; Keith Busch
> <keith.busch at intel.com>; Limonciello, Mario <Mario_Limonciello at Dell.com>
> Subject: Re: [PATCH] nvme: Change our APST table to be no more aggressive than
> Intel RSTe
> 
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto at kernel.org> wrote:
> > It seems like RSTe is much more conservative with transition timing
> > that we are.  According to Mario, RSTe programs APST to transition from
> > active states to the first idle state after 60ms and, thereafter, to
> > 1000 * the exit latency of the target state.
> 
> Bad news, folks: this appears to be merely more stable, not all the way stable:
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1678184/comments/65
> 
> I maintain my hypothesis that no one ever validated these disks and
> that the very conservative parameters set by RSTe merely make it rare
> to trigger the bug.  But maybe something else is going on.

This is really unfortunate to hear.  I think the conservative parameters set
by Intel are still best though.

I've been talking to folks about this.  There has been mentions to a possible 
signal integrity issue specifically on the quirked Dell systems and how it 
relates to this.  The current (working) theory is that when the drive is in PS4 
and is supposed to transition back that crosstalk causes problems with the 
link negotiation and thus fails.
So there's two possible ways I see to approach solving this (from Linux side):

1) Keep quirking those systems from going into PS4.
This isn't ideal as the jump to PS4 gets you the most power savings, but of course
stable system > power savings

2) Quirk those systems to redo link negotiation a few times if it fails
I don't know if this is actually possible.  Where is link negotiation invoked?

If our partners come up with a way to solve this from drive firmware though 
I'll let this group know.

Thanks,


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