[PSCI DISCUSS] How to implement standby and suspend-to-ram by PSCI

Hongbo Zhang hongbo.zhang at nxp.com
Fri May 20 01:23:36 PDT 2016

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oliver Neukum [mailto:oneukum at suse.com]
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> To: Hongbo Zhang <hongbo.zhang at nxp.com>
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> Subject: Re: [PSCI DISCUSS] How to implement standby and suspend-to-ram by
> On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 10:27 +0000, Hongbo Zhang wrote:
> > > For the pm module of the core kernel a low power state is a sleep
> > > state if even one of three conditions is met:
> > >
> > > a) a device that can be used for input is not a source of wake ups
> > > b) tasks need to be frozen to enter it
> > > c) the display goes off, while it should be on
> > >
> > > Generally runtime PM is better if you can get the same results.
> > > Going to a system sleep state is a necessary evil.
> > As I just explained in previous reply, many devices in our Soc cannot
> > be physically clock or power gated, all the non-wakeup devices can
> > only be gated off at same time by a PM module, so runtime PM doesn't
> > fit for us well.
> You are looking for a contradiction where none is to be found. We have
> PM domains which allow you to model common clocks and gates. You simply
> use the driver core and it will use the common gate when every device is
> idle. Obviously this is also true when the system is suspended. But not
> necessarily only when the system is suspended.
> 	Regards
> 		Oliver

Well, currently our situation is that we've already implemented our sleep/deep sleep mode (mapping to kernel terms standby/suspend to ram), and now while transferring to PSCI we meet such a problem.
If runtime PM is used, many device driver's developers have to be involved to offer their runtime callbacks, a lot of efforts needed in whole system level. But yes, runtime PM has its own advantages, will consider to apply it in the coming SOCs.
Thanks for advice.

Hongbo Zhang @ NXP

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