[PATCH v2 7/7] ARM: smp: Add runtime PM support for CPU hotplug

Lina Iyer lina.iyer at linaro.org
Tue Sep 22 10:32:36 PDT 2015

On Thu, Sep 10 2015 at 04:01 -0700, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>On 09/09/2015 01:03 AM, Kevin Hilman wrote:
>> Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko at ti.com> writes:
>>> On 09/07/2015 11:42 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>> On Monday, September 07, 2015 04:37:44 PM Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>>> On 09/07/2015 04:04 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 05, 2015 11:39:20 AM Alan Stern wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Sep 2015, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 09/04/2015 09:45 PM, Alan Stern wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> There is one "small" problem with such approach :(
>>>>>>>>>> - It's incompatible with -RT kernel, because PM runtime can't be used
>>>>>>>>>> in atomic context on -RT.
>>>>>>>>> Can you explain this more fully?  Why can't runtime PM be used in
>>>>>>>>> atomic context in the -rt kernels?
>>>>>>>> See:
>>>>>>>>     http://lwn.net/Articles/146861/
>>>>>>>>     https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_does_the_CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT_patch_work.3F
>>>>>>>> spinlock_t
>>>>>>>>        Critical sections are preemptible. The _irq operations (e.g., spin_lock_irqsave())
>>>>>>>>     do -not- disable hardware interrupts. Priority inheritance is used to prevent priority
>>>>>>>>     inversion. An underlying rt_mutex is used to implement spinlock_t in PREEMPT_RT.
>>>>>>>> As result, have to do things like:
>>>>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/161
>>>>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/162
>>>>>>>> Sorry for brief reply - Friday/Sat night :)
>>>>>>> I see.  Although we normally think of interrupt contexts as being
>>>>>>> atomic, in an -rt kernel this isn't true any more because things like
>>>>>>> spin_lock_irq don't actually disable interrupts.
>>>>>>> Therefore it would be correct to say that in -rt kernels, runtime PM
>>>>>>> can be used in interrupt context (if the device is marked as irq-safe),
>>>>>>> but not in atomic context.  Right?
>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>> Whatever is suitable for interrupt context in the mainline, will be suitable
>>>>>> for that in -rt kernels too.
>>>>> Not exactly true :(, since spinlock is converted to [rt_] mutex.
>>>>> Usually, this difference can't be seen because on -RT kernel all or
>>>>> mostly all HW IRQ handlers will be forced to be threaded.
>>>> Exactly.  And that's what I'm talking about.
>>>>> For the cases, where such automatic conversion is not working,
>>>>> (like chained irq handlers or HW-handler+Threaded handler) the code
>>>>> has to be carefully patched to work properly as for non-RT as for -RT.
>>>> Right.
>>>>> Also, this triggers some -RT incompatibility issues, like with PM runtime or
>>>> That I'm not sure about.  Why would runtime PM cause problems with -RT (apart
>>>> from attempts to use it from the idle loop, but that's not happening in the
>>>> mainline anyway)?
>>> I have to be more specific - sorry. "irq_safe" mode of PM runtime is incompatible with -RT.
>>> Here is an example:
>>> - HW IRQ handler in TI OMAP GPIO driver is implemented as chained IRQ handler and
>>>    contains pm_runtime_get_sync()/pm_runtime_put(). This works properly with vanilla kernel
>>>    because OMAP GPIO devices marked as irq_safe.
>>>    Chained IRQ handlers can't be forced threaded and PM runtime APIs trigger
>>>   "sleeping function called from invalid context" issues there, so corresponding code has to be reworked.
>> Isn't that why those are being converted to raw_*[1] ?
>> Kevin
>> [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=143749603401221&w=2
>That's way I've tried to convert those to generic IRQ handler [2] :),
>so on -RT it will be forced threaded.
>raw_* is different kind of problem in gpio-omap - IRQ controllers
>have to use raw_* inside irq_chip callbacks, because IRQ core guards those
>callbacks using raw_* locks.
>.irq_bus_lock()/irq_bus_sync_unlock() callbacks can be used [3]
>for any kind of operations which require non-atomic context.
Talking to John Stultz at Linaro Connect: Is cpuidle relevant in
-RT kernel? I dont know much about -RT. I thought this might be point
that we should consider.

As it stands today, on a 800 Mhz ARM quad core, I am seeing a latency of
50-70 usec for the additional runtime PM in the cpuidle. Ofcourse, there
is a definite need to optimize and there are opportunities to do that.

Since each CPU does its own runtime PM, we could probably avoid any kind
of locks in the runtime PM. But locks in genpd may be unavoidable. Will
look more into that.


>[2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/162
>gpio: omap: convert to use generic irq handler
>[3] https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/18/161
>gpio: omap: move pm runtime in irq_chip.irq_bus_lock/sync_unlock

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