Including empty regulator nodes in axp209.dtsi is a BAD idea

[Hans de Goede]

Hi,

On 15-01-15 23:04, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:54:58AM +0800, Chen-Yu Tsai wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-01-15 17:46, Maxime Ripard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:39:01AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi ChenYu, Maxime,
>>>>>
>>>>> During the review of a few dts files for new boards Maxime asked me to
>>>>> use
>>>>> axp209.dtsi to avoid the standard axp209 "boilerplate" present in most
>>>>> boards using the axp209 pmic.
>>>>>
>>>>> But axp209.dtsi includes empty regulator nodes, e.g. :
>>>>>
>>>>>                   reg_dcdc3: dcdc3 {
>>>>>                           regulator-name = "dcdc3";
>>>>>                   };
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a BAD idea, the presence of these empty nodes causes the
>>>>> axp20x-regulator driver to actually register regulators for them,
>>>>> and then on late_init the regulator subsys turns them off, since
>>>>> they have absolutely no constraints set (nor users registered)
>>>>> and the regulator subsys assumes that when devicetree is used their
>>>>> is always a compete set of constraints and that thus turning them
>>>>> off is safe.
>>>>>
>>>>> So when I switched to using axp209.dtsi for the bananapro.dts,
>>>>> and booted the bananapro this is the last message I got from the
>>>>> kernel while booting:
>>>>>
>>>>> [    2.314014] dcdc3: disabling
>>>>>
>>>>> And away went our DRAM power-supply, oops.
>>>>>
>>>>> So for dcdc2 (CPU) and dcdc3 (DRAM), the boilerplate
>>>>> should contain reasonable constraints (eg the operating range
>>>>> from the datasheet)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>>> and an always-on property.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. The regulator disabling is a feature, and how the board is
>>>> wired is, well, up to the board.
>>>
>>>
>>> And here I was thinking you wanted to reduce the amount of boilerplate
>>> in our dts files ..
>>>
>>> IOW I disagree with your disagreeing all boards we know of have dcdc2
>>> wired to Vcpu and dcdc3 wired to Vddr, so not having this in the dtsi
>>> will lead to a lot of extra boilerplate in each dts file. We're not
>>> talking about our main dtsi file here, if we ever encounter a board
>>> which is wired in a different way, then its dts can simply not use
>>> axp209.dtsi and instead define the nodes itself, it needs to do that
>>> anyways if we do include the standard CPU and DDR constrains in the
>>> dtsi since those will not make sense either in that case.
>>
>> I think Maxime is only disagreeing to the "always-on" part. And I
>> somewhat agree with him, but on a technical level. It doesn't seem
>> possible to negate at the board level the "always-on" set in the dtsi,
>> or it is not obvious to me how to do so. With properties with values
>> you just set a new value. How do you "unset" a boolean flag?
>
> You don't, but Hans suggestion was to not use the DTSI then and define
> the nodes yourself in your DTS.
>
> Another solution would be if this case comes up at some point to just
> push the always-on constraints to the boards, but assume for now that
> all boards will want it to be always on.
>
>> As for the constraints, I think we can agree that everyone will use
>> the reference design if they choose to include the PMIC on a board.
>
> I'm not sure to get what you mean here. The PMIC has constraints of
> its own (the min/max voltage it can deliver), and boards will have
> some too (ie the min/max voltage the components can handle). So I
> guess we will end up with constraints defined at both levels.
>
>>>> If an always-on property is needed, then it's in the DTS, not in the
>>>> AXP DTSI.
>>>>
>>>>> The ldo-s are trickier, since we simply do not know how those
>>>>> are used, I think ldo2 is used for Avcc on most boards, so it
>>>>> too should be always on, since almost any board will have some
>>>>> analog parts on it (be it the ir receiver, lradc, rtp, lvds, vga,
>>>>> or analog audio in/out). Assuming that we're willing to assume
>>>>> that ldo2 is used this way, we should give it matching constraints
>>>>> and always mark it always-on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ideally, all the drivers that have a analogic component should have a
>>>> reference to the regulator they use. But again, at the board
>>>> level. And more realistically, putting always-on should also happen at
>>>> the board level.
>>>>
>>>>> As for ldo3 - 5 I've no idea when / for what these are used, but
>>>>> if we do not know it is better to just leave them be then to turn
>>>>> them off IMHO, so we should remove the nodes for these from axp209.dtsi
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways sorting this all out is going to take some time, so I'm
>>>>> not going to use axp209.dtsi in dts files for new boards for now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid it's an "all or nothing" situation.
>>>
>>>
>>> No it is not, the PMIC is a mfd, and we can use some of its functions
>>> fine without actually loading the regulator bits. This is already
>>> done on most boards with the axp209, even without touching the regulators
>>> it is nice to have the axp209 mfd driver loaded so that we get support
>>> for the powerbutton, and support for poweroff, esp. the latter is quite
>>> nice to have.
>>
>> I agree that a) the PMIC is an mfd, and b) we can use other bits without
>> loading the regulator bits. But if adding the regulator bits results in
>> some sort of crash or issue, just because some regulator got turned off,
>> it seems to me that the dt is not accurately describing the hardware.
>
> Yeah, that's kind of the same argument than the one we had with
> simplefb clocks. So I guess we can agree that we can allow the MFD
> part alone to work, but if regulator support is introduced, then *all*
> regulators must be described accurately.

Hmm, I would prefer to have all listed regulators described accurately,
if we do not know how a regulator is used it may be best to just leave it
out (leaving it at whatever setting the bootloader has configured it) AFAIK
there is no technical reason why we must describe all or no regulators.

Regards,

Hans