[PATCH 5/9] ARM: common: Introduce PM domains for CPUs/clusters
Lina Iyer
lina.iyer at linaro.org
Thu Aug 13 21:02:05 PDT 2015
On Thu, Aug 13 2015 at 21:51 -0600, Kevin Hilman wrote:
>Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi at arm.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 04:45:03PM +0100, Lina Iyer wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 13 2015 at 09:01 -0600, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
>>> >On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 04:14:51AM +0100, Rob Herring wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Lina Iyer <lina.iyer at linaro.org> wrote:
>>> >> > Define and add Generic PM domains (genpd) for ARM CPU clusters. Many new
>>> >> > SoCs group CPUs as clusters. Clusters share common resources like GIC,
>>> >> > power rail, caches, VFP, Coresight etc. When all CPUs in the cluster are
>>> >> > idle, these shared resources may also be put in their idle state.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The idle time between the last CPU entering idle and a CPU resuming
>>> >> > execution is an opportunity for these shared resources to be powered
>>> >> > down. Generic PM domain provides a framework for defining such power
>>> >> > domains and attach devices to the domain. When the devices in the domain
>>> >> > are idle at runtime, the domain would also be suspended and resumed
>>> >> > before the first of the devices resume execution.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We define a generic PM domain for each cluster and attach CPU devices in
>>> >> > the cluster to that PM domain. The DT definitions for the SoC describe
>>> >> > this relationship. Genpd callbacks for power_on and power_off can then
>>> >> > be used to power up/down the shared resources for the domain.
>>> >>
>>> >> [...]
>>> >>
>>> >> > +ARM CPU Power domains
>>> >> > +
>>> >> > +The device tree allows describing of CPU power domains in a SoC. In ARM SoC,
>>> >> > +CPUs may be grouped as clusters. A cluster may have CPUs, GIC, Coresight,
>>> >> > +caches, VFP and power controller and other peripheral hardware. Generally,
>>> >> > +when the CPUs in the cluster are idle/suspended, the shared resources may also
>>> >> > +be suspended and resumed before any of the CPUs resume execution.
>>> >> > +
>>> >> > +CPUs are the defined as the PM domain consumers and there is a PM domain
>>> >> > +provider for the CPUs. Bindings for generic PM domains (genpd) is described in
>>> >> > +[1].
>>> >> > +
>>> >> > +The ARM CPU PM domain follows the same binding convention as any generic PM
>>> >> > +domain. Additional binding properties are -
>>> >> > +
>>> >> > +- compatible:
>>> >> > + Usage: required
>>> >> > + Value type: <string>
>>> >> > + Definition: Must also have
>>> >> > + "arm,pd"
>>> >> > + inorder to initialize the genpd provider as ARM CPU PM domain.
>>> >>
>>> >> A compatible string should represent a particular h/w block. If it is
>>> >> generic, it should represent some sort of standard programming
>>> >> interface (e.g, AHCI, EHCI, etc.). This doesn't seem to be either and
>>> >> is rather just a mapping of what "driver" you want to use.
>>> >>
>>> >> I would expect that identifying a cpu's or cluster's power domain
>>> >> would be done by a phandle between the cpu/cluster node and power
>>> >> domain node. But I've not really looked at the power domain bindings
>>> >> so who knows.
>>> >
>>> >I would expect the same, meaning that a cpu node, like any other device
>>> >node would have a phandle pointing at the respective HW power domain.
>>> >
>>> CPUs have phandles to their domains. That is how the relationship
>>> between the domain provider (power-controller) and the consumer (CPU) is
>>> established.
>>>
>>> >I do not really understand why we want a "generic" CPU power domain, what
>>> >purpose does it serve ? Creating a collection of cpu devices that we
>>> >can call "cluster" ?
>>> >
>>> Nope, not for calling a cluster, a cluster :)
>>>
>>> This compatible is used to define a generic behavior of the CPU domain
>>> controller (in addition to the platform specific behavior of the domain
>>> power controller). The kernel activities for such power controller are
>>> generally the same which otherwise would be repeated across platforms.
>>
>> What activities ? CPU PM notifiers ?
>
>For today, yes.
>
>However, you can think of CPU PM notifiers as the equivalent of runtime
>PM hooks. They're called when the "devices" are about to be powered off
>(runtime suspended) or powered on (runtime resumed.)
>
>However the CPU PM framework and notifiers are rather dumb compared to
>runtime PM. For example, runtime PM gives you usecounting, autosuspend,
>control from userspace, statistics, etc. etc. Also, IMO, CPU PM will
>not scale well for multiple clusters.
>
>What if instead, we used runtime PM for the things that the CPU PM
>notifiers manager (GIC, VFP, Coresight, etc.), and those drivers used
>runtime PM callbacks to replace their CPU PM notifiers? We'd then be in
>a beautiful land where CPU "devices" (and the other connected logic) can
>be modeled as devices using runtime PM just like every other device in
>the system.
>
>Then take it up a level... what if we then could use genpd to model the
>"cluster", made of of the CPUs and "connected" devices (GIC, VFP, etc.)
>but also modeled the shared L2$ as a device which was using runtime PM.
>
>Now we're in a place where we can use all the benefits of runtime PM,
>plus the governor features of genpd to start doing a real, multi-CPU,
>multi-cluster CPUidle that's flexible enough to model the various
>dependencies in an SoC independent way, but generic enough to be able to
>use common governors for last-man standing, cache flushing, etc. etc.
>
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Nicely written response Kevin.
Thank you.
--Lina
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