[LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project
Hartmut Knaack
knaack.h at gmx.de
Thu May 5 16:04:01 PDT 2016
mbm schrieb am 05.05.2016 um 21:22:
> On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote:
>> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often
>> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned
>> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues.
>> Setting up the LEDE project was our way of creating a testbed for
>> changes that we believe are important for the survival of the project.
>
> Change is not easy. Discussions need to happen. The problem is simply
> kicking out people you didn't agree with by starting a new organization
> in secret; you've created the public perception that we're somehow
> against you when really we all want the same things.
>
>> A critical part of many of these debates was the fact that people who
>> were controlling critical pieces of the infrastructure flat out
>> refused to allow other people to step up and help, even in the face of
>> being unable to deal with important issues themselves in a timely
>> manner. This kind of single-point-of-failure thing has been going on
>> for years, with no significant progress on resolving it. In the LEDE
>> project we decided to significantly simplify the infrastructure and
>> spread out admin access enough to minimize the chance of this
>> situation ever happening again.
>> While we have pushed for and actively worked on decentralizing the
>> infrastructure, we were also frequently asked to move back to
>> centralizing things again.
>> The excessive downtime of the main site this year is a good example of
>> why we definitely don't want to go that way.
>
> I'll let Kaloz address this personally.
>
>> Do you think we can get the changes outlined by the LEDE project
>> implement in OpenWrt? If so, how?
>
> We can start by having an actual conversation between the two groups.
> I'm not against what LEDE was trying to accomplish, but I am against how
> it was done.
>
>> We appreciate your effort to have an open discussion about this,
>> however the sudden deletion of our widely published openwrt.org email
>> addresses somewhat undermines this. We will not respond in kind and we
>> will continue to maintain the critical parts of OpenWrt infrastructure
>> that we control.
>
> Let's be clear on this subject; no commit access was revoked, you still
> have full read and write access to the entire OpenWrt tree.
>
> Email forwarding was temporarily disabled following the LEDE announcement
> - LEDE's own rules prohibit project based email addresses
> - It's unclear if LEDE still represents OpenWrt
>
Disabling someone's email-account without prior notice and a decent time frame
just because you don't agree with that persons behavior is totally immature
and inappropriate. The 'excuse' pointed out here just demonstrates this
ridiculousness.
Just my 2 cents.
Hartmut
> My hope is that this whole LEDE vs OpenWrt situation can be resolved.
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