[OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

[Roman Yeryomin]

On 6 May 2016 at 03:53, Luka Perkov <luka at openwrt.org> wrote:
>>On 2016-05-05 20:22, mbm wrote:
>>> On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote:
>>>> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often
>>>> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned
>>>> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues.
>>>> Setting up the LEDE project was our way of creating a testbed for
>>>> changes that we believe are important for the survival of the project.
>>>
>>> Change is not easy. Discussions need to happen. The problem is simply
>>> kicking out people you didn't agree with by starting a new organization
>>> in secret; you've created the public perception that we're somehow
>>> against you when really we all want the same things.
>>
>> Years of internal discussion led nowhere. Maybe it helps now that we're
>> making the whole issue public.
>
> For the sake of transparency, we've had public discussions, about a number of
> things, for example switching to Git:
>
> - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-October/036390.html
> - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-October/036480.html
> - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-October/036486.html
> - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-October/036500.html
>
> And based on these inputs from you the switch was not made even though several
> OpenWrt developers wanted to switch.
>
> Also, server outages can happen to anybody:
> - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2016-January/038547.html
>
> However, we do not want to point fingers. What we do want is to make a great
> community around OpenWrt and to drive innovation - just like it has been done
> for more then a decade now.
>
> There has been a long history - mostly good, sometimes bad - since the project
> started from a garage project, to now having a project used by an awesome
> amount of users. This can be seen from the constructive discussions in this
> list on a daily basis, and in this very thread. Also, the project is used as
> the main SDK by many silicon vendors internally, and by vast number of
> companies on the embedded market.
>
> We are open for a discussion and would like to keep the OpenWrt's and it's
> community interests in the first place. Splitting the project does not make
> sense. Do you agree?
>
>>>> We appreciate your effort to have an open discussion about this,
>>>> however the sudden deletion of our widely published openwrt.org email
>>>> addresses somewhat undermines this. We will not respond in kind and we
>>>> will continue to maintain the critical parts of OpenWrt infrastructure
>>>> that we control.
>>>
>>> Let's be clear on this subject; no commit access was revoked, you still
>>> have full read and write access to the entire OpenWrt tree.
>>>
>>> Email forwarding was temporarily disabled following the LEDE announcement
>>> - LEDE's own rules prohibit project based email addresses
>> No, they don't. They state that the LEDE project won't provide project
>> email addresses. Interpreting that as meaning that we shouldn't be able
>> to access our openwrt.org addresses is more than a bit of a stretch.
>
> In any case, due to the events that happened and the fact that the OpenWrt name
> is being used in a manner opposite of the projects best interest, we felt that
> these actions were needed in order to avoid the further damages to the project.
>
>>> - It's unclear if LEDE still represents OpenWrt
>> So? Asking us to not send any further emails about LEDE from our
>> openwrt.org addresses should have been enough.
>
> Actually, this was discussed on #lede-adm.

IRC history is hard to follow, I'd better assume that something not
written here never happened.

Regards,
Roman