[LEDE-DEV] TR-069 and OpenWrt discussion on these lists?

[Dave Taht]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:22 PM, L. D. Pinney <ldpinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a Development List ... no place for corporate agendas.

I think you are making a good point here, being that there is only one
lede list, presently, and devs would like to just see dev related
traffic....

Personally I find it incredibly difficult to sort through the patch
volume on this (and linux-wireless), and would welcome a forum (web or
email) to be able to discuss other matters.  I was invited several
times by openwrt folk to discuss things on openwrt-hackers, but my
applications there were never approved, so I'd hoped that with ledes
new governance there'd be a place to do that.

irc is difficult for me, as I am I california right now, and I tend to
be working with folk in europe, australia, and china. 24 hours is not
enough time in the day, so I fall back on async methods like email. I
think the proposal for liquiddemocracy ( I think it was called? ) was
nifty, for governance here.

...

But I have to ask: what corporation do you think I have an agenda for?
For whom did just go toe to toe with the FCC?

http://fqcodel.bufferbloat.net/~d/fcc_saner_software_practices.pdf

What is your interpretation of my agenda?

Perhaps I should try to write up why I've been involved with trying to
help openwrt, often in spite of itself, for so many years?

> The problem is more pervasive than just TR-069.

Well the cross posting thus far has been kind of limited, and in both
contexts there was a potential -dev impact. I personally welcome the
light of day being shone on one or more TR-69 implementations whether
they end up in openwrt/lede or not. There are certain tricky pieces
that I think are desirable (dns delegation being one) that kind of
need a back and forth api of some sort, and certainly better queue
management as well.

As for cleaning up the detritus of the cerowrt effort, which also
triggered your hostility, all the *really good stuff* landed in
openwrt (and now lede) long ago (good), most of the core cerowrt devs
are now openwrt/lede devs (good), and I was trying to clean out the
last pieces remaining, which seemed to require some discussion, and a
few loose pieces (hncp and mdns proxying, notably), that could use
love or the wastebin.

I'd meant to re-open an old discussion on stateless firewalling and
the use of nftables going fowards, but now I don't know where to start
that.

As for my last big priority -  getting the make-wifi-fast pieces into
lede... well, I'm kind of hoping the benefits to this distro being so
obvious that people will leap all over it, as soon as it stablizes a
bit more in linux mainline. There's a mailing list for that, and no
reason to cross post until a backport arrives.

> It's about cross-posting and pushing forwards about who's going to the
> corporate sponsored events and other drivel.


>
> These things have little or nothing to do with the PRIMARY reason of a
> Development List.
>
> IF these people have something to contribute such as a [PATCH] this
> would be correct mailing list...otherwise it's BS

In my world, git has supplanted most of what I used to use a -dev
mailing list for, but I think I understand where you are coming from
better.

>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:14 PM, David Lang <david at lang.hm> wrote:
>> Like individuals, companies do things that benefit them. Almost all Open
>> Source software development is done by people who benefit from the results.
>> If benefiting from the results makes it that the LEDE project doesn't want
>> to hear from you, the project will die _really_ fast.
>>
>> I hope your hostile attitude doesn't spread.
>>
>> David Lang
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, L. D. Pinney wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:10:36 -0500
>>> From: L. D. Pinney <ldpinney at gmail.com>
>>> To: David Lang <david at lang.hm>
>>> Cc: LEDE Development List <lede-dev at lists.infradead.org>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [LEDE-DEV] TR-069 and OpenWrt discussion on these lists?
>>>
>>> Just because a company works on something doesn't make it evil.
>>> Yes of course large corporations are well known for altruistic behavior.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:03 PM, David Lang <david at lang.hm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is it really pushing a corporate agenda to coordinate efforts to make
>>>> LEDE/OpenWRT support remote management protocols?
>>>>
>>>> Just because a company works on something doesn't make it evil.
>>>>
>>>> David Lang
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, L. D. Pinney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:29:08 -0500
>>>>> From: L. D. Pinney <ldpinney at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: LEDE Development List <lede-dev at lists.infradead.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [LEDE-DEV] TR-069 and OpenWrt discussion on these lists?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Postings to the LEDE Development List should be devoted to technical
>>>>> development issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Persons from prplfoundation et.al should respect conventional mail list
>>>>> etiquette such as found here :
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/mailinglists/etiquette.php
>>>>>
>>>>> Pay particular attention to 4, 7, and 10 on the above etiquitte list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see prplfoundation as a hostile takeover of LEDE / OpenWrt by a
>>>>> corporate conspiracy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Free Software is meant to be free ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Free from the manipulation of governments and corporations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pushing your corporate backed agenda on the Development List(s)
>>>>> torques me off every time.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Eric Schultz
>>>>> <eschultz at prplfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we continue the TR-069 support discussion, I wanted to ask folks
>>>>>> whether they want me to continue to cross post to these list in
>>>>>> addition
>>>>>> to the prplwrt list at openwrt at lists.prplfoundation.org. I have no
>>>>>> problem doing either way, but I don't want to fill people's inbox will
>>>>>> stuff they feel is off topic. Just wanted to get a sense of what people
>>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Eric Schultz, Community Manager, prpl Foundation
>>>>>> http://www.prplfoundation.org
>>>>>> eschultz at prplfoundation.org
>>>>>> cell: 920-539-0404
>>>>>> skype: ericschultzwi
>>>>>> @EricPrpl
>>>>>>
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Dave Täht
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