[LEDE-DEV] TR-069 and OpenWrt discussion on these lists?

[L. D. Pinney]

Eric asked :

"I wanted to ask folks whether they want me to continue to cross post to these"

And "Just wanted to get a sense of what people would prefer."

I posted my answer followed by my reasons.

I find cross posting annoying...and in most cases irrelevant.

I hope your hostile attitude doesn't spread.
It's not likely to spread...IF and WHEN the BS stops.

Stick to Development concerns and the only thing you will hear from me
will have [PATCH] in the subject line or perhaps relevant comments.

Prpl is nothing short of a corporate conspiracy ... by and for some of
the same companies and people that refused to comply with the GPL code
requirements that started the OpenWrt project.

I really don't care if you "don't see it my way"

I'm not here to win friends and influence idiots ... I'll leave that
to politicians



On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:05 PM, David Lang <david at lang.hm> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, L. D. Pinney wrote:
>
>> It's a Development List ... no place for corporate agendas.
>
>
> if adding a feature is a corporate agenda because a company is interested in
> it working correctly, you are shutting down all development.
>
>> The problem is more pervasive than just TR-069.
>>
>> It's about cross-posting and pushing forwards about who's going to the
>> corporate sponsored events and other drivel.
>
>
> Some amount of cross posting is very reasonable. In this case, they are
> talking about what developers are going to go to this event to coordinate
> their development work. If they were talking about what CxO folks they were
> getting together it would be less relevant (but I'll point out that LEDE
> doesn't have any list to coordinate management/publicity/etc stuff, so it
> may very well end up here anyway)
>
> If this was a non-profit organizing a similar meeting would you be telling
> them to go away, that their contributions are not wanted?
>
>> These things have little or nothing to do with the PRIMARY reason of a
>> Development List.
>>
>> IF these people have something to contribute such as a [PATCH] this
>> would be correct mailing list...otherwise it's BS
>
>
> There is more to development than just [PATCH] e-mails.
>
> In this case there are multiple people/companies have code that they are
> releasing and looking to get integrated, and they want to coordinate instead
> of fighting each other. This is generally considered a good thing.
>
> Driving people away because they aren't helping in exactly the way that you
> consider ideal is a good way to kill a project.
>
> David Lang
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:14 PM, David Lang <david at lang.hm> wrote:
>>>
>>> Like individuals, companies do things that benefit them. Almost all Open
>>> Source software development is done by people who benefit from the
>>> results.
>>> If benefiting from the results makes it that the LEDE project doesn't
>>> want
>>> to hear from you, the project will die _really_ fast.
>>>
>>> I hope your hostile attitude doesn't spread.
>>>
>>> David Lang
>>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, L. D. Pinney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:10:36 -0500
>>>> From: L. D. Pinney <ldpinney at gmail.com>
>>>> To: David Lang <david at lang.hm>
>>>> Cc: LEDE Development List <lede-dev at lists.infradead.org>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [LEDE-DEV] TR-069 and OpenWrt discussion on these lists?
>>>>
>>>> Just because a company works on something doesn't make it evil.
>>>> Yes of course large corporations are well known for altruistic behavior.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:03 PM, David Lang <david at lang.hm> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it really pushing a corporate agenda to coordinate efforts to make
>>>>> LEDE/OpenWRT support remote management protocols?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just because a company works on something doesn't make it evil.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Lang
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, L. D. Pinney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:29:08 -0500
>>>>>> From: L. D. Pinney <ldpinney at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: LEDE Development List <lede-dev at lists.infradead.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [LEDE-DEV] TR-069 and OpenWrt discussion on these lists?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Postings to the LEDE Development List should be devoted to technical
>>>>>> development issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Persons from prplfoundation et.al should respect conventional mail
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> etiquette such as found here :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/mailinglists/etiquette.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pay particular attention to 4, 7, and 10 on the above etiquitte list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see prplfoundation as a hostile takeover of LEDE / OpenWrt by a
>>>>>> corporate conspiracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Free Software is meant to be free ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Free from the manipulation of governments and corporations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pushing your corporate backed agenda on the Development List(s)
>>>>>> torques me off every time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Eric Schultz
>>>>>> <eschultz at prplfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we continue the TR-069 support discussion, I wanted to ask folks
>>>>>>> whether they want me to continue to cross post to these list in
>>>>>>> addition
>>>>>>> to the prplwrt list at openwrt at lists.prplfoundation.org. I have no
>>>>>>> problem doing either way, but I don't want to fill people's inbox
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> stuff they feel is off topic. Just wanted to get a sense of what
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Eric Schultz, Community Manager, prpl Foundation
>>>>>>> http://www.prplfoundation.org
>>>>>>> eschultz at prplfoundation.org
>>>>>>> cell: 920-539-0404
>>>>>>> skype: ericschultzwi
>>>>>>> @EricPrpl
>>>>>>>
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