[RFC PATCH v2 3/4] liveupdate: Replace compatibility string with a 2-bit pair feature header

David Matlack dmatlack at google.com
Tue Oct 27 10:37:56 PDT 2026


On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 9:40 AM Pasha Tatashin
<pasha.tatashin at soleen.com> wrote:
>
> On 10-26 21:14, David Matlack wrote:
> > On 2026-10-26 11:50 AM, tarunsahu at google.com wrote:
> > > Right, Required bit should be source kernel payload property to tell
> > > target kernel that the payload must be handled to correctly deserialize
> > > the data. It should be source kernel (userspace) responsiblity to make
> > > sure it understand the target kernel before doing liveupdate.
> > >
> > > Saying this, During deserialization, target kernel's required bit is not
> > > necessary. So I propose the following truth table.
> > >
> > > Source hdr  Target supported[i]  Action
> > > ----------  -------------------  ----------------------------------
> > > 00          0 or 1               Accept: feature absent in payload
> > > 01          0                    Accept: ignore the feature data
> > > 01          1                    Accept: use the feature data
> > > 11          0                    Reject: -EOPNOTSUPP
> > > 11          1                    Accept: use the feature data
> > > 10          0 or 1               Reject: -EINVAL (invalid encoding)
> >
> > Yes, this matches what I had in mind for the semantics.
> >
> > To be explicit: the source kernel should set the bits for each Live
> > Update based on what is actually preserved, rather than generating the
> > header from a static per-kernel array. E.g. memfd would only mark a
> > feature present for memfds that actually use it. That's what allows
> > rollback to an older kernel as long as nothing being preserved depends
> > on the new feature.
> >
> > But looking at this again, I think the required bit is redundant. Whether
> > a feature can be safely ignored is a property of the feature itself, not
> > of any particular file. Every file that has a feature present will have
> > the same required bit for it. The only thing that actually varies per
> > file is whether the feature is present.
> >
> > The required bit still has to be conveyed to the target somehow, since
> > the kernel that needs it is the one that doesn't know about the feature.
> > But it can be conveyed by the feature's number rather than an extra bit:
> > split the flag space into required features and optional features, and
> > assign each feature to one of them when it is defined. This is similar
> > to the required_flags and optional_flags approach in struct pci_ser [1].
> >
> > Keeping the same header shape as discussed with Pasha:
> >
> > struct kho_ser_hdr {
> >     __u32 size;           /* Size of header + payload in bytes */
> >     __u16 nr_required;    /* Number of required feature bits */
> >     __u16 nr_optional;    /* Number of optional feature bits */
> >     __u64 flags[];        /* Required bits, followed by optional bits */
> > };
> >
> > Required feature N is bit N of flags[], and optional feature N is bit
> > nr_required + N (using nr_required from the incoming header). The length
> > of flags[] is DIV_ROUND_UP(nr_required + nr_optional, 64). Both spaces
> > are numbered contiguously, so there are no gaps, and up to 64 features
> > still fit in a 16-byte header.
> >
> > Each bit just means the feature is present, so the truth table becomes:
> >
> > Source bit       Target supports  Action
> > ---------------  ---------------  ------------------------------
> > Not set          -                Accept: feature absent
> > Optional set     No               Accept: ignore the feature data
> > Optional set     Yes              Accept: use the feature data
> > Required set     No               Reject: -EOPNOTSUPP
> > Required set     Yes              Accept: use the feature data
> >
>
> I like this proposal. I bet most features are going to be either
> optional or required, and even if we ever have a magical
> sometimes-optional feature, it can have its own required flag. So, no
> need to pay double the cost on every flag.
>
> Just need to make sure that optional features always start from 0, in
> their own enum, so the offset can be computed correctly in the incoming
> kernel.

Right. Instead of having a single 32-bit feature space where every
feature can either be optional or required, we have 2 16-bit feature
spaces, one for required features and one for optional features. Both
feature spaces span from 0 to 2^16-1, and then are packed into
flags[].



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