From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 01:12:37 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 09:12:37 +0000
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know how to extract a clip of today's News at about 8.50 am to 9.10?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd

Thanks - CJB


From nick.payne at internode.on.net  Wed Feb  3 02:14:37 2016
From: nick.payne at internode.on.net (Nick Payne)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 21:14:37 +1100
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56B1D30D.7020501@internode.on.net>

If you have the program downloaded, Avidemux can extract a segment from it.

On 3/02/2016 8:12 PM, CJB wrote:
> Does anyone know how to extract a clip of today's News at about 8.50 am to 9.10?
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd



From ianmac51 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 05:16:12 2016
From: ianmac51 at gmail.com (Ian Macdonald)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 13:16:12 +0000
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFeBtomSW3b1gG4Scj1Rb+KM77_AeqkTy73vz4jfyvUERt8b5A@mail.gmail.com>

depending on the output quality you want, the free version of
lightworks https://www.lwks.com/ is worth a look and is available for
Linux, Windows & OSX.  It is a really powerful package, but for just
extracting a segment quite easy with the added bonus it can do
everything including Hollywood blockbusters if you want to put in the
effort :-)


All the best

Ian

On 3 February 2016 at 09:12, CJB <chrisjbrady at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know how to extract a clip of today's News at about 8.50 am to 9.10?
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd
>
> Thanks - CJB
>
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From s.morgan at skm.org.uk  Wed Feb  3 07:34:47 2016
From: s.morgan at skm.org.uk (Simon Morgan)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:34:47 -0000
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01d15e98$6a777a70$3f666f50$@morgan@skm.org.uk>

Try Audacity (http://www.audacityteam.org/). Open Source and has Windows and
Linux versions. I've used it to extract sections from recordings on a number
of occasions.

Simon Morgan

-----Original Message-----
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Of CJB
Sent: 03 February 2016 09:13
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Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016

Does anyone know how to extract a clip of today's News at about 8.50 am to
9.10?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd

Thanks - CJB

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From allsorts at howhill.com  Wed Feb  3 08:11:00 2016
From: allsorts at howhill.com (Dave Liquorice)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 16:11:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <00ed01d15e98$6a777a70$3f666f50$@morgan@skm.org.uk>
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1454515890.1636.get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org>

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:34:47 -0000, Simon Morgan wrote:

> Try Audacity (http://www.audacityteam.org/).

I don't think it does pictures though does it?

Windows has Windows Movie Maker, a basic but functional video editing tool.

-- 
Cheers
Dave.




From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 08:51:42 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:51:42 +0000
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <56B22AD1.4070103@synigy.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
 <56B22AD1.4070103@synigy.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnOdhtouLi4m6whpAGggF_awyBMMRAfQrKhwGvm-kk=Yww@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys - but i couldn't download it - not even using the browser
console to cap. the URL. Any ideas please. Chris B.

On 03/02/2016, Rob Wood <rob.wood at synigy.com> wrote:
> You can use VLC to create clips.
>
> Rob
>
> On 03/02/2016 09:12, CJB wrote:
>> Does anyone know how to extract a clip of today's News at about 8.50 am to
>> 9.10?
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd
>>
>> Thanks - CJB
>>
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From richard22j at zoho.com  Wed Feb  3 09:39:30 2016
From: richard22j at zoho.com (RS)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:39:30 -0000
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnOdhtouLi4m6whpAGggF_awyBMMRAfQrKhwGvm-kk=Yww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
 <56B22AD1.4070103@synigy.com>
 <CAPZzCnOdhtouLi4m6whpAGggF_awyBMMRAfQrKhwGvm-kk=Yww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7356751E61DB40FCBE94745717A17093@RJCDESK>

Looking quickly at the BBC One schedule on iPlayer it looks as if Breakfast 
is never available on the iPlayer, nor is regional News.  National News is 
only available on the day of broadcast.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: CJB
To: Rob Wood
Cc: get_iplayer-request
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016


Thanks guys - but i couldn't download it - not even using the browser
console to cap. the URL. Any ideas please. Chris B.

On 03/02/2016, Rob Wood <rob.wood at synigy.com> wrote:
> You can use VLC to create clips.
>
> Rob
>
> On 03/02/2016 09:12, CJB wrote:
>> Does anyone know how to extract a clip of today's News at about 8.50 am 
>> to
>> 9.10?
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd
>>
>> Thanks - CJB
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 10:19:54 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 18:19:54 +0000
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <7356751E61DB40FCBE94745717A17093@RJCDESK>
References: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
 <56B22AD1.4070103@synigy.com>
 <CAPZzCnOdhtouLi4m6whpAGggF_awyBMMRAfQrKhwGvm-kk=Yww@mail.gmail.com>
 <7356751E61DB40FCBE94745717A17093@RJCDESK>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnMZOW67CwmtSS61aeqKioS=rf6ikv6OwEJVgOYx0fdtXA@mail.gmail.com>

Inspecting the browser (Chrome) Console I managed to pick up a couple
of MP4 fragments from:

http://vs-hds-uk-live.edgesuite.net/pool_4/live/bbc_one_london/bbc_one_london.isml/bbc_one_london-pa3=96000-video=827000.bootstrap

Interestingly I could still use iPlayer for the Breakfast News after
about two other programmes had gone past. I simply kept the Console
window open for iPlayer for the News programme. So despite the page
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone?rewindTo=current always
presenting the latest 'live' broadcast - the contents of the previous
programmes were still available for streaming - if you didn't actually
refresh that link. Unfortunately I couldn't id the stream URL for the
Breakfast News.

CJB


On 03/02/2016, RS <richard22j at zoho.com> wrote:
> Looking quickly at the BBC One schedule on iPlayer it looks as if Breakfast
>
> is never available on the iPlayer, nor is regional News.  National News is
> only available on the day of broadcast.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CJB
> To: Rob Wood
> Cc: get_iplayer-request
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
>
>
> Thanks guys - but i couldn't download it - not even using the browser
> console to cap. the URL. Any ideas please. Chris B.
>
> On 03/02/2016, Rob Wood <rob.wood at synigy.com> wrote:
>> You can use VLC to create clips.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On 03/02/2016 09:12, CJB wrote:
>>> Does anyone know how to extract a clip of today's News at about 8.50 am
>>> to
>>> 9.10?
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd
>>>
>>> Thanks - CJB
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> 01934-807645
>> Mobile 07535 946 900
>> rob.wood at synigy.com
>>
>>
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From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Wed Feb  3 10:24:09 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 20:24:09 +0200
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D007DE1F0C447FE831876D17B5209BF@vasonote>

On Wed Feb 3 09:12:37 GMT 2016, CJB wrote: 

> of today's News at about 8.50 am to 9.10?
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd

On Wed Feb 3 10:14:37 GMT 2016, Nick Payne wrote:

> If you have the program downloaded

On Wed Feb 3 16:51:42 GMT 2016, CJB wrote: 

> but i couldn't download it - 
> not even using the browser console 
> to cap. the URL. 
> Any ideas please.

 The case of "BBC One Breakfast" show has come up 
in the past in this list, but sadly a quick browse in my 
local archive has failed to find that previous exchange... 

 The thing is IT IS NOT BEING MADE AVAILABLE 
FOR ON DEMAND, due to rights issues...
If you load the show's main page at: 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006v5tb

you can read this for yourself:

> Breakfast on BBC iPlayer
> We're sorry but Breakfast isn't available 
> on BBC iPlayer for rights reasons.
> Find out more on the BBC iPlayer Help website

EDIT: RS beat me to it - sending all the same...

Some archived short clips can be found at: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006v5tb/clips

I haven't checked recently whether 
at the time of broadcast the live internet 
stream does indeed carry the programme
 
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone); 
 
if it does and one is aware beforehand that 
sometime during the current live programme 
a part will be broadcast that is to one's 
liking and would like to record, then one should 
start recording (with GiP) the BBC One iPlayer 
live stream a bit prior to the start of said part 
and, naturally, end the recording after the 
part of interest has concluded... 

As for trimming down/editing the live recording, 
ffmpeg (CLI) and the - already mentioned - 
excellent AVIdemux 
http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/download.html
can do the job (NB: recent AVIdemux 
windows binaries DO NOT WORK ON WinXP!).

On Windows, if you remux losslessly to the 
Matroska container, a personal favourite 
(not a plug) is the free: 
http://www.solveigmm.com/en/products/avi-trimmer-mkv/
(supports only AVI or MKV container, 
lossless editing is being done with 
key frame accuracy, which is adequate 
in most cases...).

Regards.


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 10:42:53 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 18:42:53 +0000
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <5D007DE1F0C447FE831876D17B5209BF@vasonote>
References: <CAPZzCnMKWuoVrT-aRrXRxLV9X_fxrDnA6W6CE=5r1eNFNcc-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5D007DE1F0C447FE831876D17B5209BF@vasonote>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnOjcm2ewSBOEGFtcRAu9ftD9AoYiyx01RqvF297pT69uQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Vangelis and others ...

So I would opine that if http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone
could be redirected to previous programmes they should be there for
the playing of.

That was my experience this morning. I kept the Breakfast News page
current (i.i. I did not refresh it) and could still play the News
programme file even after two succeeding programmes had gone by.

Chris B.

On 03/02/2016, Vangelis forthnet <northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr> wrote:
> On Wed Feb 3 09:12:37 GMT 2016, CJB wrote:
>
>> of today's News at about 8.50 am to 9.10?
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z4pnd
>
> On Wed Feb 3 10:14:37 GMT 2016, Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> If you have the program downloaded
>
> On Wed Feb 3 16:51:42 GMT 2016, CJB wrote:
>
>> but i couldn't download it -
>> not even using the browser console
>> to cap. the URL.
>> Any ideas please.
>
>  The case of "BBC One Breakfast" show has come up
> in the past in this list, but sadly a quick browse in my
> local archive has failed to find that previous exchange...
>
>  The thing is IT IS NOT BEING MADE AVAILABLE
> FOR ON DEMAND, due to rights issues...
> If you load the show's main page at:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006v5tb
>
> you can read this for yourself:
>
>> Breakfast on BBC iPlayer
>> We're sorry but Breakfast isn't available
>> on BBC iPlayer for rights reasons.
>> Find out more on the BBC iPlayer Help website
>
> EDIT: RS beat me to it - sending all the same...
>
> Some archived short clips can be found at:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006v5tb/clips
>
> I haven't checked recently whether
> at the time of broadcast the live internet
> stream does indeed carry the programme
>
> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone);
>
> if it does and one is aware beforehand that
> sometime during the current live programme
> a part will be broadcast that is to one's
> liking and would like to record, then one should
> start recording (with GiP) the BBC One iPlayer
> live stream a bit prior to the start of said part
> and, naturally, end the recording after the
> part of interest has concluded...
>
> As for trimming down/editing the live recording,
> ffmpeg (CLI) and the - already mentioned -
> excellent AVIdemux
> http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/download.html
> can do the job (NB: recent AVIdemux
> windows binaries DO NOT WORK ON WinXP!).
>
> On Windows, if you remux losslessly to the
> Matroska container, a personal favourite
> (not a plug) is the free:
> http://www.solveigmm.com/en/products/avi-trimmer-mkv/
> (supports only AVI or MKV container,
> lossless editing is being done with
> key frame accuracy, which is adequate
> in most cases...).
>
> Regards.
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>


From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Wed Feb  3 12:14:20 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 22:14:20 +0200
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnOjcm2ewSBOEGFtcRAu9ftD9AoYiyx01RqvF297pT69uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E08F48676E9441CADE242E803755C88@vasonote>

On Wed Feb 3 18:24:09 GMT 2016, I wrote: 

> I haven't checked recently whether 
> at the time of broadcast the live internet 
> stream does indeed carry the programme
> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone);

On Wed Feb 3 18:19:54 GMT 2016, CJB wrote: 

> Inspecting the browser (Chrome) Console

... So now I have my answer: "BBC One Breakfast"  
is being streamed live on iPlayer in the morning... 

> I could still use iPlayer for the Breakfast News 
> after about two other programmes had gone past.
> (snip)
> the contents of the previous programmes
> were still available for streaming

On Wed Feb 3 18:42:53 GMT 2016, CJB wrote:

> if http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone
> could be redirected to previous programmes 
> they should be there for the playing of.
> That was my experience this morning. 
> I kept the Breakfast News page current 
> (i.i. I did not refresh it) and could still play 
> the News programme file even after 
> two succeeding programmes had gone by.

... What you have described Chris is a feature 
of iPlayer's called "Live Rewind" - it has been 
with us for Live TV from as back as 2012, and it has 
been recently also implemented for live radio 
(e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_two ;
enables moving to the start of current live radio show).

 In layman's terms, the embedded online 
player (more accurately, the streaming 
CDN server) buffers a portion of the live stream 
(which for TV I think is 2 hours worth) 
which enables you to either "Restart the current 
programme" or, by moving the slider to the left, 
access content broadcast in the past 2 hours.

The streaming method that enables this feature 
is called AdobeHDS - GiP does not (and most probably 
will not in future) support that; there is a dedicated 
tool (PHP script) that enables the recording of 
un-encrypted AdobeHDS streams; it has been 
also patched to be compatible with the Live Rewind 
capability - if present - of such streams, so yes, 
it is possible to record even parts of the "buffer-in-the-past" 
(albeit with some manual calculation...), provided 
not much time has elapsed since the live 
broadcast (because fresher content always 
overwrites the staler one in the buffer). 
(Of course, I won't be providing any "how-to"s here 
or elsewhere, it's doable and for a commited person 
all the info is out there on the net...)

On Wed Feb 3 18:24:09 GMT 2016, I wrote: 

>  a personal favourite (not a plug) is the free: 
> http://www.solveigmm.com/en/products/avi-trimmer-mkv/
> (supports only AVI or MKV container, 

I was stuck at previous (free) version 2.0, 
but it appears new version 5.0 does support, 
among many other improvements, the MP4 
container, too; no need to first remux to MKV.
There is a catch: as much as it is an excellent 
video/audio editing programme, being a freeware 
entails the setup to use OpenCandy during 
installation; decide for yourself...

Regards, 
V.


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 06:46:19 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 14:46:19 +0000
Subject: BBC Breakfast News - 3 Feb 2016
In-Reply-To: <6E08F48676E9441CADE242E803755C88@vasonote>
References: <CAPZzCnOjcm2ewSBOEGFtcRAu9ftD9AoYiyx01RqvF297pT69uQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <6E08F48676E9441CADE242E803755C88@vasonote>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnPhSvuP_r6zRLUYm4oz=jLOWNpDRbu9K7yGdAu+62EyEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Vangelis - interesting explanation. I can 'do' AbobeHDS
stream downloads using - so maybe next time!! Chris B.

On 03/02/2016, Vangelis forthnet <northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr> wrote:
> On Wed Feb 3 18:24:09 GMT 2016, I wrote:
>
>> I haven't checked recently whether
>> at the time of broadcast the live internet
>> stream does indeed carry the programme
>> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone);
>
> On Wed Feb 3 18:19:54 GMT 2016, CJB wrote:
>
>> Inspecting the browser (Chrome) Console
>
> ... So now I have my answer: "BBC One Breakfast"
> is being streamed live on iPlayer in the morning...
>
>> I could still use iPlayer for the Breakfast News
>> after about two other programmes had gone past.
>> (snip)
>> the contents of the previous programmes
>> were still available for streaming
>
> On Wed Feb 3 18:42:53 GMT 2016, CJB wrote:
>
>> if http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone
>> could be redirected to previous programmes
>> they should be there for the playing of.
>> That was my experience this morning.
>> I kept the Breakfast News page current
>> (i.i. I did not refresh it) and could still play
>> the News programme file even after
>> two succeeding programmes had gone by.
>
> ... What you have described Chris is a feature
> of iPlayer's called "Live Rewind" - it has been
> with us for Live TV from as back as 2012, and it has
> been recently also implemented for live radio
> (e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_two ;
> enables moving to the start of current live radio show).
>
>  In layman's terms, the embedded online
> player (more accurately, the streaming
> CDN server) buffers a portion of the live stream
> (which for TV I think is 2 hours worth)
> which enables you to either "Restart the current
> programme" or, by moving the slider to the left,
> access content broadcast in the past 2 hours.
>
> The streaming method that enables this feature
> is called AdobeHDS - GiP does not (and most probably
> will not in future) support that; there is a dedicated
> tool (PHP script) that enables the recording of
> un-encrypted AdobeHDS streams; it has been
> also patched to be compatible with the Live Rewind
> capability - if present - of such streams, so yes,
> it is possible to record even parts of the "buffer-in-the-past"
> (albeit with some manual calculation...), provided
> not much time has elapsed since the live
> broadcast (because fresher content always
> overwrites the staler one in the buffer).
> (Of course, I won't be providing any "how-to"s here
> or elsewhere, it's doable and for a commited person
> all the info is out there on the net...)
>
> On Wed Feb 3 18:24:09 GMT 2016, I wrote:
>
>>  a personal favourite (not a plug) is the free:
>> http://www.solveigmm.com/en/products/avi-trimmer-mkv/
>> (supports only AVI or MKV container,
>
> I was stuck at previous (free) version 2.0,
> but it appears new version 5.0 does support,
> among many other improvements, the MP4
> container, too; no need to first remux to MKV.
> There is a catch: as much as it is an excellent
> video/audio editing programme, being a freeware
> entails the setup to use OpenCandy during
> installation; decide for yourself...
>
> Regards,
> V.
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>


From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Thu Feb  4 22:00:57 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 08:00:57 +0200
Subject: Bug in latest 2.95dev code (with fix)
Message-ID: <0FB39319A5434AA6A752F87DD4F81AD2@vasonote>

@dinkypumpkin:

 While I was toying with the latest commit 488ab9b
of the main 2.95dev get_iplayer perl script:

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/raw/488ab9b6a2b53481afd4c57aa8c40f3f60a0c4f2/get_iplayer

I discovered what seems to be a small bug...

 When issuing the following GiP command to fetch
one of the non-[Video Factory] HLS tvmodes
(BTW, many thanks for bringing them back):

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-g488ab9b.pl --pid=b06q9zv3 --tvmode=hlsvhigh1 --raw --force

(hlsvhigh = 468p25FPS/AAC LC)

the script correctly assigns file extension ".ts"
to the partial download:
================================
INFO: hlsvhigh1 modes will be tried for version original
INFO: Trying hlsvhigh1 mode to record tv: Russell Howard's Good News: Series 
10
- 5. Episode 5
INFO: File name prefix = 
Russell_Howards_Good_News_Series_10_-_5._Episode_5_b06q
9zv3_original
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\Russell_Howards_Good_
News_Series_10_-_5._Episode_5_b06q9zv3_original.partial.ts
================================

When, OTOH, I issue the next command to fetch
one of the Video Factory HLS tvmodes:

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-g488ab9b.pl --pid=b06q9zv3 --tvmode=hvfvhigh2 --raw --force

(hvfvhigh = 540p25FPS/HE-AACv1)

the script wrongly assigns file extension ".mp4"
to the partial download:
================================
INFO: hvfvhigh2 modes will be tried for version original
INFO: Trying hvfvhigh2 mode to record tv: Russell Howard's Good News: Series 
10
- 5. Episode 5
INFO: File name prefix = 
Russell_Howards_Good_News_Series_10_-_5._Episode_5_b06q
9zv3_original
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\Russell_Howards_Good_
News_Series_10_-_5._Episode_5_b06q9zv3_original.partial.mp4
================================

It should again be ".ts", as the product
of AppleHLS download...

The bug manifests itself only when "--raw" is used;
if not (the common scenario), the script correctly
downloads a "*.partial.mp4.ts" file:
================================
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\Russell_Howards_Good_
News_Series_10_-_5._Episode_5_b06q9zv3_original.partial.mp4.ts
================================

Not a coder, but probably the solution is at line 8781:
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/blob/488ab9b6a2b53481afd4c57aa8c40f3f60a0c4f2/get_iplayer#L8781

a simple change like that:

-  $prog->{ext} = 'ts' if $opt->{raw} && $mode =~ /^hls/;
+ $prog->{ext} = 'ts' if $opt->{raw} && $mode =~ /^(hls|hvf)/;

should do it...

Kind regards,
Vangelis.
 



From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 07:02:48 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:02:48 +0000
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>

OK - guys. Please how can I download these clips:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447

Thanks - Chris B.


From startrek.steve at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 08:46:57 2016
From: startrek.steve at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:46:57 +0000
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56B4D201.1050604@gmail.com>

you cant, looks like they're Flowplayer, I couldnt Flashgot them in 
Firefox either.

Steve

On 05/02/16 15:02, CJB wrote:
> OK - guys. Please how can I download these clips:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447
>
> Thanks - Chris B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>



From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 08:51:51 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 16:51:51 +0000
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnP2UNb4tjM1RET8H-jXNq=j7HLD_xR_ex-JiP6FQXUGnA@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm - I'm trying

1/

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>get_iplayer --stream
--url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447"
--type=all | --player="mplayer -cache 3072 -"

'--player' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

2/

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>get_iplayer --stream --type=tv --url="http://www.bb
c.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447"

get_iplayer v2.94, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
  This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty.
  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain
  conditions; use --conditions for details.


INFO: 0 Matching Programmes

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>

Etc., etc.!!!

Chris B.


On 05/02/2016, CJB <chrisjbrady at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK - guys. Please how can I download these clips:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447
>
> Thanks - Chris B.
>


From batguano999 at zoho.com  Fri Feb  5 09:07:14 2016
From: batguano999 at zoho.com (batguano999)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:07:14 +0000
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <152b266e66d.aeeaf6244629.7448210585793435968@zoho.com>



---- On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:02:48 +0000 CJB  wrote ---- 
>OK - guys. Please how can I download these clips: 
> 
They can be downloaded with RTMPDump if there isn't a get_iplayer method.
Information here ---> http://pastebin.com/raw/CwFHNM4d
 



From c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk  Fri Feb  5 09:09:16 2016
From: c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk (C E Macfarlane)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 17:09:16 -0000
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
 Universe (b06z2851)
Message-ID: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>

This is the standard bit-rate version, it fails consistently at about 1.6MB.

Anyone any ideas?

www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html


From j at mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Feb  5 09:55:42 2016
From: j at mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk (J)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:55:42 +0200
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
 Universe (b06z2851)
In-Reply-To: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
References: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56B4E21E.1090601@mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>


C E Macfarlane wrote:
> This is the standard bit-rate version, it fails consistently at about 1.6MB.
>
> Anyone any ideas?

Consistently failed for me at 4.1% (if I remember correctly) so I 
regarded it as 'just one of those things' and downloaded the podcast.

J


From george at eycott.co.uk  Fri Feb  5 09:59:41 2016
From: george at eycott.co.uk (George Eycott)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 17:59:41 -0000
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
 Universe (b06z2851)
In-Reply-To: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
References: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
Message-ID: <025801d1603e$fd63f3c0$f82bdb40$@eycott.co.uk>

I was having trouble with that one, I retried every few hours and eventually
it worked.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-bounces at lists.infradead.org] On
> Behalf Of C E Macfarlane
> Sent: 05 February 2016 17:09
> To: get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
> Universe (b06z2851)
> 
> This is the standard bit-rate version, it fails consistently at about
1.6MB.
> 
> Anyone any ideas?
> 
> www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer



From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 10:14:24 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:14:24 +0000
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
 Universe (b06z2851)
In-Reply-To: <025801d1603e$fd63f3c0$f82bdb40$@eycott.co.uk>
References: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
 <025801d1603e$fd63f3c0$f82bdb40$@eycott.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnObS-7i01wWTHiEbCEDZbU2KnbmnESBiGnweXwQuzn5zg@mail.gmail.com>

Just tried this for you and got:

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>get_iplayer --pid=b06z2851
get_iplayer v2.94, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
  This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty.
  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain
  conditions; use --conditions for details.

INFO: Episode-only pid detected
INFO: Trying pid: b06z2851 using type: tv
INFO: Trying to stream pid using type tv
INFO: pid not found in tv cache
Matches:

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of default version
INFO: No specified modes (flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) av
ailable for this programme with version 'default'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaacstd,hlsaacstd
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO: No specified modes (flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) av
ailable for this programme with version 'original'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacstd
INFO: Checking existence of other version
INFO: No specified modes (flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) av
ailable for this programme with version 'other'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacstd
ERROR: Failed to record 'The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible Univers
e (b06z2851)'

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>

On 05/02/2016, George Eycott <george at eycott.co.uk> wrote:
> I was having trouble with that one, I retried every few hours and
> eventually
> it worked.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-bounces at lists.infradead.org] On
>> Behalf Of C E Macfarlane
>> Sent: 05 February 2016 17:09
>> To: get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
>> Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
>> Universe (b06z2851)
>>
>> This is the standard bit-rate version, it fails consistently at about
> 1.6MB.
>>
>> Anyone any ideas?
>>
>> www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> get_iplayer mailing list
>> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>


From njtaylor0101 at btinternet.com  Fri Feb  5 10:17:22 2016
From: njtaylor0101 at btinternet.com (Nigel Taylor)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:17:22 +0000
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56B4E732.6000707@btinternet.com>

On 02/05/16 15:02, CJB wrote:
> OK - guys. Please how can I download these clips:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447
> 
> Thanks - Chris B.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
> 
These worked for me, on OpenBSD with get_iplayer 2.95-dev-b4bc3d68e

get_iplayer --url "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517"
get_iplayer --url "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447"



From njtaylor0101 at btinternet.com  Fri Feb  5 10:23:47 2016
From: njtaylor0101 at btinternet.com (Nigel Taylor)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:23:47 +0000
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
 Universe (b06z2851)
In-Reply-To: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
References: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56B4E8B3.9090006@btinternet.com>

On 02/05/16 17:09, C E Macfarlane wrote:
> This is the standard bit-rate version, it fails consistently at about 1.6MB.
> 
> Anyone any ideas?
> 
> www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
> 
$ get_iplayer --pid b06z2851
get_iplayer 2.95-dev-b4bc3d68e, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
  This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use --warranty.
  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain
  conditions; use --conditions for details.

INFO: Episode-only pid detected
INFO: Trying pid: b06z2851 using type: tv
INFO: Trying to stream pid using type tv
INFO: pid not found in tv cache
Matches:

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO: dashhigh1,dashhigh2,flashstd1,flashstd2,flashlow1,flashlow2 modes will be tried for version original
INFO: Trying dashhigh1 mode to record radio: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible Universe
INFO: File name prefix = The_Infinite_Monkey_Cage_Series_13_-_Invisible_Universe_b06z2851_original                 
INFO: Begin recording file: The_Infinite_Monkey_Cage_Series_13_-_Invisible_Universe_b06z2851_original.partial.m4a
INFO: Recorded: 63.96MB in 00:00:20 at 26197kbps to The_Infinite_Monkey_Cage_Series_13_-_Invisible_Universe_b06z2851_original.partial.m4a
INFO: Recorded file: The_Infinite_Monkey_Cage_Series_13_-_Invisible_Universe_b06z2851_original.m4a

Works for me.


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 10:29:56 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:29:56 +0000
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <56B4E732.6000707@btinternet.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
 <56B4E732.6000707@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnNu8phmCOngP0CYWbYSx-OCbqtSQEfkJM9T-uq=ZDB65w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - I'll have a try at using 2.95 (dev)

Chris B.

On 05/02/2016, Nigel Taylor <njtaylor0101 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 02/05/16 15:02, CJB wrote:
>> OK - guys. Please how can I download these clips:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447
>>
>> Thanks - Chris B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> get_iplayer mailing list
>> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>>
> These worked for me, on OpenBSD with get_iplayer 2.95-dev-b4bc3d68e
>
> get_iplayer --url "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517"
> get_iplayer --url "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447"
>
>


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 10:36:11 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:36:11 +0000
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <56B4E732.6000707@btinternet.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
 <56B4E732.6000707@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnNFG=4acR9varTPdQXniA9BdvJKsMVpzYT-=6_0nvspNg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you I'l look at OpenBSD too.

Chris B.

On 05/02/2016, Nigel Taylor <njtaylor0101 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 02/05/16 15:02, CJB wrote:
>> OK - guys. Please how can I download these clips:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447
>>
>> Thanks - Chris B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> get_iplayer mailing list
>> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>>
> These worked for me, on OpenBSD with get_iplayer 2.95-dev-b4bc3d68e
>
> get_iplayer --url "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517"
> get_iplayer --url "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447"
>
>


From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Fri Feb  5 11:20:12 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 20:20:12 +0100
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <152b266e66d.aeeaf6244629.7448210585793435968@zoho.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>, 
 <152b266e66d.aeeaf6244629.7448210585793435968@zoho.com>
Message-ID: <trinity-e6d9a2ce-5f47-468f-ba73-222866f78c7e-1454700012189@3capp-mailcom-bs02>

Where do you get the VPID from to open the playlist to make the command?

> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 at 5:07 PM
> From: batguano999 <batguano999 at zoho.com>
> To: CJB <chrisjbrady at gmail.com>
> Cc: get_iplayer-request <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
> Subject: Re: Another BBC News Clip
>
> 
> 
> ---- On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:02:48 +0000 CJB  wrote ---- 
> >OK - guys. Please how can I download these clips: 
> > 
> They can be downloaded with RTMPDump if there isn't a get_iplayer method.
> Information here ---> http://pastebin.com/raw/CwFHNM4d
>  
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
> 


From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Fri Feb  5 13:21:29 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 23:21:29 +0200
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMNs4ts-zX5qRu+po_hQjRcjXFHtjKHLraC-bK+vDeFYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B27B23769714572A9A970C01B3A7847@vasonote>

On Fri Feb 5 15:02:48 GMT 2016, CJB wrote:

> how can I download these clips:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447

Hello Chris and company... :-)

 I was out all day and only now came
to read this thread. It turns out the Latin
phrase "scripta manent" is not actually true,
at least when this list is concerned!

Chris, it appears you do have short retention;
and you should have performed a list archive
search prior to posting:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/

The BBC News issue was discussed in
this list fairly recently, in fact last October:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2015-October/008346.html
My post describes in what was characterised as "gory" details
the issue itself and possible solutions.
 Furthermore, as an answer to another
of your own queries, Chris, I did refer you
to above post of mine in the following thread:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2015-November/008428.html
specifically post:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2015-November/008438.html
which updates the bug and lists your choices...
PLEASE DO READ MY POSTS AGAIN!

1. Due to changes brought on by the beeb,
GiP 2.94 is broken for News/Sports clips.
2. The coder (dinkypumpkin) has indicated that
he's no longer inclined to continue support for
News clips in GiP; having said that,
he did patch GiP one final time:
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/8e8a5fff1f508133ae22d9f89577559339cc806f
That patch, of course, is to be found on the
2.95dev branch and the next 2.95 release
(hoping they don't break it yet again before
it is finally released).
This is why Nigel Taylor can fetch those clips,
since he's on get_iplayer 2.95-dev-b4bc3d68e.

CJB wrote:

> Thanks - I'll have a try at using 2.95 (dev)

... and by browsing the list archive you can find
related posts on how to do that on Windows

http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008550.html

> Thank you I'l look at OpenBSD too.

Nothing against OpenBSD or other OS,
but there's no need to install a second OS
on your machine (natively or via VM)
to use GiP 2.95dev just for BBC News Clips
(if that's the reason you'll "look" at OpenBSD;
if not, feel free to try whatever OS you fancy :-) ).

tellyaddict wrote:

> Where do you get the VPID from
> to open the playlist to make the command?

The answer to that specific question can, again,
be found inside my original post of Oct 2015,
so do read on...

But as far as batguano's rtmpdump commands
are concerned, I think that on his Linux box he's
using the "iptables redirection method"
to construct them...
http://stream-recorder.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22571&postcount=1

A somewhat similar method can be used
on Windows via RTMPdumphelper:
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/rtmp_dump_helper.html
but this awesome tool ceased to function
on my system (Vista 32bit) when using
Mozilla Firefox and versions of the NPAPI
adobe flash plugin newer than 17.0.0.169!

The commands posted by bg will be soon
worthless, as the authentication token strings
have a very short lifespan (2hr, IIANM).

Greetings to all,
Vangelis. 



From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Fri Feb  5 15:11:35 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 01:11:35 +0200
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnObS-7i01wWTHiEbCEDZbU2KnbmnESBiGnweXwQuzn5zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DAD96A2CDA5457C80521915EF5A425F@vasonote>

On Fri Feb 5 10:14:24 PST 2016, CJB wrote:

> Just tried this for you and got:
>
> C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>get_iplayer --pid=b06z2851
> (snip)
> INFO: No specified modes 
> (flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) av
> ailable for this programme with version 'original'
> INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacstd

pid=b06z2851 refers to a radio programme:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z2851

As discussed and explained in following Oct 2015 thread:

http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2015-October/008323.html

in GiP 2.94 when requesting audio via --pid,
--type=radio is mandatory; you should have tried:

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b06z2851 (--modes=best)

Plus, if you --info the pid in question:

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b06z2851 -i

you'll find there exist three versions of the prog:
==============================
versions:       default,original,other,podcast
==============================
verpids:        default: p03gj97h
verpids:        original: b06z2611
verpids:        other: p03ghbdq
verpids:        podcast: p03gj97h
==============================
durations:      default: 2366
durations:      original: 1800
durations:      other: 1800
durations:      podcast: 2366
==============================

The version marked as "other" looks as if
it's identical to "original", judging purely by
estimated duration, however separate streams
do exist for both of them with slightly different
file sizes for the same radiomode...

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b06z2851 --modes-flashaac --versions=original

downloads (in one attempt, with no issues
whatsoever) a file 27mn 48s in true duration.

Likewise,

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b06z2851 --modes=flashaac --force --versions=other

also fetches (trouble-free) a 27mn 48s audio file.

The third "podcast" version is the one picked up
by GiP 2.94 as the "default" one, due to its
increased duration (2366 > 1800).

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b06z2851 --modes=flashaac --force --versions=podcast

will produce the download errors (over RTMP)
reported by the OP (Charles) and confirmed by
the rest - there does seem to be a glitch with
that RTMP CDN; however, the same file can be
fetched over HTTP via the hlsaac radiomode:

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b06z2851 --modes=hlsaac --force --versions=podcast

This does report hls errors, but the download
manages to resume and finally yields a 36mn 46s
long M4A audio file...
I guess if you're after the longer "podcast" version,
then you should do as J and simply download the
MP3 file (39mn 26s long) from the link on the
prog's page...

PS: due to following commits

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/4a4796ac8b082d81e93905b5d915ea489e835294

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/348bbea23f5c5db8b4dad6c0f0a448a6436830d3

in GiP 2.95dev the "podcast" version
is no longer chosen as "default", so the
"original" broadcast vesion is tried for
download, as reported by Nigel Taylor...

Many regards,
V. 



From james at jls-radio.com  Fri Feb  5 15:22:33 2016
From: james at jls-radio.com (James Scholes)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 23:22:33 +0000
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
In-Reply-To: <8DAD96A2CDA5457C80521915EF5A425F@vasonote>
References: <8DAD96A2CDA5457C80521915EF5A425F@vasonote>
Message-ID: <56B52EB9.6030000@jls-radio.com>


-- 
James Scholes
http://twitter.com/JamesScholes


From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Fri Feb  5 16:16:50 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 01:16:50 +0100
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <5B27B23769714572A9A970C01B3A7847@vasonote>
References: <5B27B23769714572A9A970C01B3A7847@vasonote>
Message-ID: <trinity-29ddc1a2-6eb5-43a8-9b09-e33252fa82e7-1454717810742@3capp-mailcom-bs02>

Thanks Vangelis. I knew it was in the archives somewhere but had no idea where to look. Is there an easy way to search the archives?

Hopefully if it breaks again after the fix in 2.95, we will still be able to manually find and feed the playlist url to GiP.

> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 at 9:21 PM
> From: "Vangelis forthnet" <northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr>
> To: get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> Subject: Re: Another BBC News Clip
>
> On Fri Feb 5 15:02:48 GMT 2016, CJB wrote:
> 
> > how can I download these clips:
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35492517
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35427447
> 
> Hello Chris and company... :-)
> 
>  I was out all day and only now came
> to read this thread. It turns out the Latin
> phrase "scripta manent" is not actually true,
> at least when this list is concerned!
> 
> Chris, it appears you do have short retention;
> and you should have performed a list archive
> search prior to posting:
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/
> 
> The BBC News issue was discussed in
> this list fairly recently, in fact last October:
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2015-October/008346.html
> My post describes in what was characterised as "gory" details
> the issue itself and possible solutions.
>  Furthermore, as an answer to another
> of your own queries, Chris, I did refer you
> to above post of mine in the following thread:
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2015-November/008428.html
> specifically post:
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2015-November/008438.html
> which updates the bug and lists your choices...
> PLEASE DO READ MY POSTS AGAIN!
> 
> 1. Due to changes brought on by the beeb,
> GiP 2.94 is broken for News/Sports clips.
> 2. The coder (dinkypumpkin) has indicated that
> he's no longer inclined to continue support for
> News clips in GiP; having said that,
> he did patch GiP one final time:
> https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/8e8a5fff1f508133ae22d9f89577559339cc806f
> That patch, of course, is to be found on the
> 2.95dev branch and the next 2.95 release
> (hoping they don't break it yet again before
> it is finally released).
> This is why Nigel Taylor can fetch those clips,
> since he's on get_iplayer 2.95-dev-b4bc3d68e.
> 
> CJB wrote:
> 
> > Thanks - I'll have a try at using 2.95 (dev)
> 
> ... and by browsing the list archive you can find
> related posts on how to do that on Windows
> 
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008550.html
> 
> > Thank you I'l look at OpenBSD too.
> 
> Nothing against OpenBSD or other OS,
> but there's no need to install a second OS
> on your machine (natively or via VM)
> to use GiP 2.95dev just for BBC News Clips
> (if that's the reason you'll "look" at OpenBSD;
> if not, feel free to try whatever OS you fancy :-) ).
> 
> tellyaddict wrote:
> 
> > Where do you get the VPID from
> > to open the playlist to make the command?
> 
> The answer to that specific question can, again,
> be found inside my original post of Oct 2015,
> so do read on...
> 
> But as far as batguano's rtmpdump commands
> are concerned, I think that on his Linux box he's
> using the "iptables redirection method"
> to construct them...
> http://stream-recorder.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22571&postcount=1
> 
> A somewhat similar method can be used
> on Windows via RTMPdumphelper:
> http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/rtmp_dump_helper.html
> but this awesome tool ceased to function
> on my system (Vista 32bit) when using
> Mozilla Firefox and versions of the NPAPI
> adobe flash plugin newer than 17.0.0.169!
> 
> The commands posted by bg will be soon
> worthless, as the authentication token strings
> have a very short lifespan (2hr, IIANM).
> 
> Greetings to all,
> Vangelis. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
> 


From c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk  Sat Feb  6 04:51:42 2016
From: c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk (C E Macfarlane)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:51:42 -0000
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
 Universe (b06z2851)
In-Reply-To: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAENLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
Message-ID: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGIENPCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>

Thanks for the replies, v294 consistently failed, however I was able to
download it with v295dev.

www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html

>     This is the standard bit-rate version, it fails consistently
>     at about 1.6MB.
>
>     Anyone any ideas?



From james at jls-radio.com  Sat Feb  6 12:25:25 2016
From: james at jls-radio.com (James Scholes)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:25:25 +0000
Subject: Can't Download: The Infinite Monkey Cage: Series 13 - Invisible
In-Reply-To: <8DAD96A2CDA5457C80521915EF5A425F@vasonote>
References: <8DAD96A2CDA5457C80521915EF5A425F@vasonote>
Message-ID: <56B656B5.8010900@jls-radio.com>

Vangelis forthnet wrote:
> The version marked as "other" looks as if
> it's identical to "original", judging purely by
> estimated duration, however separate streams
> do exist for both of them with slightly different
> file sizes for the same radiomode...

Programmes uploaded to the iPlayer before they've aired on radio are
usually designated the version "Other".  In this case, it looks like the
broadcast version has the right start and end times, but often, if you
find that your radio downloads have extra content at the start or
beginning, the "Other" version won't have such a problem because it was
never actually aired on the radio.  And of course, if you want to use
GiP to download something seven days earlier than it is broadcast,
version "Other" it has to be.

I would argue (and this is purely subjective mind you) that not having
gone through the standard broadcast chain, "Other" versions might have
cleaner audio than broadcast ones, or at the least, they're probably the
closest we'll get to unprocessed audio from the BBC.  I downloaded
Tumanbay every Wednesday seven days in advance, and the "Other" versions
are definitely quieter than the broadcast ones.  Not that quieter
necessarily means better, and generally I have no complaints about the
iPlayer's audio quality.  But if you want the best possible results,
downloading pre-broadcast content might be good for you.
-- 
James Scholes
http://twitter.com/JamesScholes


From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Sat Feb  6 16:39:12 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 02:39:12 +0200
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <trinity-29ddc1a2-6eb5-43a8-9b09-e33252fa82e7-1454717810742@3capp-mailcom-bs02>
Message-ID: <8BFBED3907F849989668B67BA7E8C327@vasonote>

On Sat Feb 6 00:16:50 GMT 2016, tellyaddict wrote: 

> I knew it was in the archives somewhere 
> but had no idea where to look. 
> Is there an easy way to search the archives?

Hi - that is an interesting question, indeed :-)

The main "infradead" list archive at:
 
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/

does not provide a native search facility - 
but its contents are indexed by Google and, 
probably, other major search engines. 

 What I do myself is keep local copies of the 
list e-mails that I deem important to me inside 
a "gipml" folder, in my e-mail client; these include 
some of my sent e-mails as well as received ones...
This is the first place I begin my searches, via 
my e-mail client's search function; once I've located 
a specific mail, it's then quite easy to pinpoint it 
in the month-by-month online archive and retrieve 
its URL.

Another, somewhat similar, method of personal 
archiving is by creating in my browser (Firefox) 
a "gipml" bookmarks folder and save inside it as 
bookmarks the URLs to list archive posts (mine 
and other members') that, again, are or significance 
to me. By using my browser's native bookmark 
search feature, I can quickly arrive to a single 
post I search for...Provided, of course, 
"lists.infradead.org" is online...

Finally, the mirror archive provided by 
"www.mail-archive.com" at: 

http://www.mail-archive.com/get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org/maillist.html

DOES COME  with an inherent search engine; 
however you should be careful which search
arguments you use; you've got to have some 
idea already of the sender's name, the time the 
message was sent, if the mail's title was relevant 
to what you're actually searching for, etc...

If I search for "BBC News", it'll find 284 matches. 
Click the "Advanced search" link to filter out 
better the numerous matches. If I filter for 
"Vangelis forthnet" as the sender and limit 
search to e-mails no older than 6 months 
("Date within 6 months of "/"Sort by date", 
then type "today"), the results are narrowed 
down to 23; my mail with the content you 
wanted appears 7th in the list: 

http://www.mail-archive.com/get_iplayer%40lists.infradead.org/msg08157.html

Hope I provided useful guidance... 

==============================
OT discussion concerning tellyaddict/tvfan:

With regards to the following forum post of yours: 

https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/thread-651-post-3529.html#pid3529

I'd have to agree with dinky in that using FFmpeg 
to record manually the applehls streams 
(hls tvmodes in GiP lingo) is the best approach 
and not-at-all difficult, once you get the simple logic 
behind the procedure...
I think you're on Windows, so what you need is: 
1. A proper text editor, to manually parse playlists 
and to compose the ffmpeg command; using notepad 
is not advised, I've found it to insert very often unneeded 
whitespaces and/or line breaks.
(I use PSPad editor: http://www.pspad.com/en/ , 
but I think Notepad++ is one of the most popular: 
https://notepad-plus-plus.org/).
2. A copy of Zeranoe's FFmpeg binary; latest point 
release is 2.8.6, x86 will also run on x64 OS: 
http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/win32/static/ffmpeg-2.8.6-win32-static.7z
Save somewhere you have write access and unpack - 
run "ff-prompt.bat" and that's where you'll have to 
paste composed ffmpeg command.
No need to search for and use the ffmpeg build 
that comes with GiP already...
3. Consult the "B. Video example" section of my 
detailed guide at: 
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008604.html

Since you are in the UK, mediaset=iptv-all will work, too, 
but you may follow dinky's advice and use 
mediaset=apple-ipad-hls (which will also work for 
overseas users, since - YES - the "daily-drop" clips/trailers 
are available globally!). Do not be intimidated by the 
apparent complexity, do try it!
"Life and Death Row Season 2" has vpid=p03hnj9c - 
here is your chance :-)

End of OT discussion
==============================

Most kind regards, 
Vangelis.


From alan at soulman1949.com  Sat Feb  6 17:59:47 2016
From: alan at soulman1949.com (Alan Milewczyk)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 09:59:47 +0800
Subject: Another BBC News Clip
In-Reply-To: <8BFBED3907F849989668B67BA7E8C327@vasonote>
References: <8BFBED3907F849989668B67BA7E8C327@vasonote>
Message-ID: <56B6A513.5010807@soulman1949.com>

On 07/02/2016 08:39, Vangelis forthnet wrote:
> On Sat Feb 6 00:16:50 GMT 2016, tellyaddict wrote:
>> I knew it was in the archives somewhere but had no idea where to 
>> look. Is there an easy way to search the archives?
>
> Hi - that is an interesting question, indeed :-)
>
> The main "infradead" list archive at:
>
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/
>

I use Thunderbird for my e-mails and all GIP mail is automatically 
transferred to a GIP folder, which is easy to search. Most mail clients 
have some sort of search facility. I've been a member of this list for 
just under two years, so all the e-mails are here! The only difficulty 
in my case, is that I might forget a problem has arisen before and that 
advice has already been given on the topic! ;-) The problems of getting 
older, LOL.

A


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 06:15:19 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 14:15:19 +0000
Subject: Longer News Clip
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnMA0qY1ZKUC7Lahfic0R8rNcuhDho7NDuGSt4c_u-pOUA@mail.gmail.com>

Huh - maybe better to reply off-list please?!!

Wondering how to download this one? Its the full clip.

https://www.facebook.com/BBCSouthToday/videos/977310225692901/

Thaks an take care - Chris B.


From alan at soulman1949.com  Mon Feb  8 23:47:10 2016
From: alan at soulman1949.com (Alan Milewczyk)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:47:10 +0800
Subject: Longer News Clip
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnMA0qY1ZKUC7Lahfic0R8rNcuhDho7NDuGSt4c_u-pOUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMA0qY1ZKUC7Lahfic0R8rNcuhDho7NDuGSt4c_u-pOUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56B9997E.6030600@soulman1949.com>

On 08/02/2016 22:15, CJB wrote:
> Huh - maybe better to reply off-list please?!!
>
> Wondering how to download this one? Its the full clip.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/BBCSouthToday/videos/977310225692901/
>
> Thaks an take care - Chris B.
>
>

Facebook Video Downloader at http://www.fbdown.net/

Alan


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 02:32:43 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:32:43 +0000
Subject: Longer News Clip
In-Reply-To: <56B9997E.6030600@soulman1949.com>
References: <CAPZzCnMA0qY1ZKUC7Lahfic0R8rNcuhDho7NDuGSt4c_u-pOUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56B9997E.6030600@soulman1949.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnM+pD6n548UbXhz-VSzbiYQ-vPc5FAh=V-p52Do6-J9mQ@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent - thanks guys - got the clips OK.

On 09/02/2016, Alan Milewczyk <alan at soulman1949.com> wrote:
> On 08/02/2016 22:15, CJB wrote:
>> Huh - maybe better to reply off-list please?!!
>>
>> Wondering how to download this one? Its the full clip.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/BBCSouthToday/videos/977310225692901/
>>
>> Thaks an take care - Chris B.
>>
>>
>
> Facebook Video Downloader at http://www.fbdown.net/
>
> Alan
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>


From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Tue Feb  9 08:45:51 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:45:51 +0200
Subject: Yet more bugs in latest 2.95dev code
Message-ID: <C120EBCEA47249CAA9FECC43A2FEEAAB@vasonote>

The latest publicly released 2.95dev code
(for the main perl script) at the time of posting
is at commit git-488ab9b:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/488ab9b6a2b53481afd4c57aa8c40f3f60a0c4f2/get_iplayer

In addition to previous bug reported at :

http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-February/008658.html

further testing revealed two additional bug(s) ...

"get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl" = "get_iplayer-295dev-g488ab9b.pl"

A. no --raw/--stop

If I issue:

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force

the native perl ("built-in") HLS downloader will be used
to record live radio:
=====================================
INFO Trying to stream pid using type liveradio
INFO: pid found in cache
Matches:
80132:  BBC Radio 2 - live

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of default version
INFO: hlsmed1,hlsmed2,hlslow1,hlslow2 modes will be tried for version 
default
INFO: Trying hlsmed1 mode to record liveradio: BBC Radio 2 - live
INFO: File name prefix = BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_16_11_42
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_16_11_42.partial.m4a.ts
Recording:     0.31MB @   510kbps [00:00:05]
=====================================

The partial file is correctly reported as
"*.partial.m4a.ts"; if I kill the recording
I end up with .ts file:
"BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_16_11_42.partial.m4a.ts"
which is OK.

If OTOH I choose to use FFmpeg for the recording
(the only choice for GiP 2.94), then I would issue:

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force --hlsffmpeg

and:
=====================================
(snipped)
INFO: Trying hlsmed1 mode to record liveradio: BBC Radio 2 - live
INFO: File name prefix = BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_16_14_22
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_16_14_22.m4a
size=     428kB time=00:00:32.08 bitrate= 109.3kbits/s speed= 1.7x
=====================================

In this case the script reports the partial file name as "*.m4a";
this does not seem right; it is again AppleHLS recording,
for consistency it should again (as with "built-in")
be "*.partial.m4a.ts"; however, it appears to be just a
"cosmetic" bug, because when I kill the recording I am
left with file:
"BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_16_14_22.partial.m4a.ts"
which is OK...

B. --raw

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force --raw

=====================================
(snipped)
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_17_22_57.partial.ts
Recording:     0.54MB @   223kbps [00:00:20]
=====================================

partial file named: "*.partial.ts" which is correct,
kill the recording to be left with "*.partial.ts" file (OK).

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force --raw 
 --hlsffmpeg

=====================================
(snipped)
INFO: File name prefix = BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_17_30_02
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_17_30_02.ts
size=     172kB time=00:00:12.88 bitrate= 109.1kbits/s speed=11.7x
=====================================

partial file name reported as: "*.ts" ; for consistency with
the built-in HLS downloader, it should again be "*.partial.ts".
Killing the recording leaves you with "*.partial.ts" file,
which is OK.

C. --raw & --stop

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force --raw 
 --stop 30

=====================================
(snipped)
INFO: File name prefix = BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_17_40_27
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_17_40_27.partial.ts
INFO: Recorded: 0.39MB in 00:00:19 at   168kbps to D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recording
s\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_17_40_27.partial.ts
INFO: Recorded file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_
17_40_27.ts
=====================================

Everything appears as it should...
OTOH:

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force --raw 
 --stop 30 --hlsffmpeg

=====================================
(snipped)
INFO: Trying hlsmed1 mode to record liveradio: BBC Radio 2 - live
INFO: File name prefix = BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_17_44_11
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_17_44_11.ts
size=     400kB time=00:00:30.03 bitrate= 109.2kbits/s speed=1.81x

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>
=====================================

Partial file name: "*.ts" (wrong, it should be "*.partial.ts").
End file name (not reported by the script, but found
inside downloads folder): "*.partial.ts" (wrong, it should be
"*.ts" and also reported by the script for consistency reasons...).

... And finally:

D. no --raw, only --stop

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force --stop 
30

=====================================
(snipped)
INFO: File name prefix = BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_17_52_51
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_17_52_51.partial.m4a.ts
INFO: Recorded: 0.39MB in 00:00:19 at   168kbps to D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recording
s\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_17_52_51.partial.m4a.ts
INFO: Begin converting file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_201
6-02-09_17_52_51.partial.m4a.ts
size=     379kB time=00:00:32.00 bitrate=  97.0kbits/s speed=1.39e+003x
INFO: Converted file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09
_17_52_51.partial.m4a
INFO: Recorded file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_
17_52_51.m4a

INFO: MP4 tagging M4A file

 Started writing to temp file.
 Progress: =============================================>100%|
 Finished writing to temp file.

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>
=====================================

Partial file name: "*.partial.m4a.ts" (OK)
Partial file losslessly remuxed to "*.partial.m4a" (OK)
"*.partial.m4a" file tagged to end file "*.m4a" (OK).

OTOH

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-latest.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force --stop 
30 --hlsffmpeg

=====================================
(snipped)
INFO: Trying hlsmed1 mode to record liveradio: BBC Radio 2 - live
INFO: File name prefix = BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_18_03_38
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_18_03_38.m4a
size=     400kB time=00:00:30.03 bitrate= 109.1kbits/s speed= 2.4x

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>
=====================================

Partial file name: "*.m4a" (wrong)
The recording leaves you with an end file named:
"*.partial.m4a.ts" which is indeed an MPEG-TS
media file not remuxed to MP4 container,
nor tagged by AP... :-(

I haven't checked the "regression range" for the bug
that does not name correctly the initial (partial) recording
when --hlsffmpeg is used in scenarios A to D; GiP 2.94,
which only employs FFmpeg for HLS, does this correctly.
 In scenario D, the bug that does not process the partial
recording to end MP4 file has been introduced in commit
git-8a90279 (Merged HLS/DASH streamers, added MPEG-DASH support for live 
radio),
as the last "good" commit is the immediately preceding,
i.e. git-4f5717d (Make --exclude-supplier more lenient):

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-g4f5717d.pl --type=liveradio --pid=bbc_radio_two --force  
--stop 30 --hlsffmpeg

=====================================
(snipped)
INFO: File name prefix = BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_18_30_14
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016
-02-09_18_30_14.m4a
size=     405kB time=00:00:30.03 bitrate= 110.4kbits/s speed=2.34x
INFO: Begin converting file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_201
6-02-09_18_30_14.partial.m4a.ts
size=     356kB time=00:00:30.03 bitrate=  97.0kbits/s speed=1.43e+003x
INFO: Converted file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09
_18_30_14.partial.m4a
INFO: Recorded file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\BBC_Radio_2_live_2016-02-09_
18_30_14.m4a

INFO: MP4 tagging M4A file

 Started writing to temp file.
 Progress: =============================================>100%|
 Finished writing to temp file.

C:\Program Files\get_iplayer>
=====================================

... still wrong partial file name reported by script,
but successful generation of final (tagged) file "*.m4a".

 I am legally CUT OFF from live TV, hence not able to check
whether --type=livetv also produces similar types of bugged
results with --hlsffmpeg (???) .

As a summary, bugs exist in latest dev code
when Liveradio is recorded with FFmpeg
rather than the native Perl HLS downloader...

I realise this is an extended post, I do also
hope it gets the attention it merits from the
code maintainer (dinkypumpkin).

Kind regards,
Vangelis. 



From c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk  Tue Feb  9 10:37:12 2016
From: c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk (C E Macfarlane)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:37:12 -0000
Subject: Using FFMPEG to extract video loses sync between sound and vision
Message-ID: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAEOLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>

As per subject line, using this version of ffmpeg under Windows XP ...

ffmpeg version 2.2.3 Copyright (c) 2000-2014 the FFmpeg developers
  built on Jun 19 2014 20:24:25 with gcc 4.8.3 (GCC)
  configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --disable-w32threads --enabl
e-avisynth --enable-bzlib --enable-fontconfig --enable-frei0r --enable-gnutl
s --enable-iconv --enable-libass --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enabl
e-libfreetype --enable-libgme --enable-libgsm --enable-libilbc --enable-libm
odplug --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-a
mrwb --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libopus --enable-librtmp --enable-libschr
oedinger --enable-libsoxr --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libt
wolame --enable-libvidstab --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --e
nable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libwavpack --enable-libwebp --enabl
e-libx264 --enable-libx265 --enable-libxavs --enable-libxvid --enable-deckli
nk --enable-zlib

... and trying to extract a section of this ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z8cxd

... with the following command ...

FFMPEG -i CuirmCeltic-2016-1.mp4 -acodec copy -vcodec copy -ss 1211.5 -to
1465 Chieftains.mp4

... leads to a result where the sound is out of sync with the vision.  Can
anyone suggest a fix?

C E Macfarlane
www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html



From web at audiomisc.co.uk  Wed Feb 10 01:31:51 2016
From: web at audiomisc.co.uk (Jim web)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 09:31:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Using FFMPEG to extract video loses sync between sound and vision
In-Reply-To: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAEOLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
References: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAEOLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
Message-ID: <554fa6cac7web@audiomisc.co.uk>

In article
<PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAEOLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk>, C
E
Macfarlane <c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk> wrote:

> ... and trying to extract a section of this ...

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z8cxd

> ... with the following command ...

> FFMPEG -i CuirmCeltic-2016-1.mp4 -acodec copy -vcodec copy -ss 1211.5
> -to 1465 Chieftains.mp4

> ... leads to a result where the sound is out of sync with the vision. 
> Can anyone suggest a fix?

Two suggestions, but I don't know if they will fix it.

A newer version of ffmeg may help.

Convert the entire file to something like mkv first. Check that for lip
synch. Then snip that.

Jim

-- 
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html



From ajscholl at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 06:11:39 2016
From: ajscholl at gmail.com (Tony Scholl)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:11:39 +0000
Subject: Using FFMPEG to extract video loses sync between sound and vision
In-Reply-To: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAEOLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
References: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAEOLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAO5+Ti1A0ACke8aV1HsYTXsPcVRX8=9b3=95ugaZrK7FHfr38w@mail.gmail.com>

On 9 February 2016 at 18:37, C E Macfarlane <c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk> wrote:
> As per subject line, using this version of ffmpeg under Windows XP ...
>
> ffmpeg version 2.2.3 Copyright (c) 2000-2014 the FFmpeg developers
>   built on Jun 19 2014 20:24:25 with gcc 4.8.3 (GCC)
>   configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --disable-w32threads --enabl
> e-avisynth --enable-bzlib --enable-fontconfig --enable-frei0r --enable-gnutl
> s --enable-iconv --enable-libass --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enabl
> e-libfreetype --enable-libgme --enable-libgsm --enable-libilbc --enable-libm
> odplug --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-a
> mrwb --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libopus --enable-librtmp --enable-libschr
> oedinger --enable-libsoxr --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libt
> wolame --enable-libvidstab --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --e
> nable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libwavpack --enable-libwebp --enabl
> e-libx264 --enable-libx265 --enable-libxavs --enable-libxvid --enable-deckli
> nk --enable-zlib
>
> ... and trying to extract a section of this ...
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z8cxd
>
> ... with the following command ...
>
> FFMPEG -i CuirmCeltic-2016-1.mp4 -acodec copy -vcodec copy -ss 1211.5 -to
> 1465 Chieftains.mp4

You could try putting the -ss option before -i. The seeking is done in
a different way -
see http://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Seeking - which might give better
results (or maybe worse).

In any case, placing -ss before the input file should be much faster.

Tony

> ... leads to a result where the sound is out of sync with the vision.  Can
> anyone suggest a fix?
>
> C E Macfarlane
> www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer


From christopher at custommade.org.uk  Wed Feb 10 15:17:18 2016
From: christopher at custommade.org.uk (Christopher Woods)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:17:18 +0000
Subject: Using FFMPEG to extract video loses sync between sound and vision
In-Reply-To: <CAO5+Ti1A0ACke8aV1HsYTXsPcVRX8=9b3=95ugaZrK7FHfr38w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAEOLCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>
 <CAO5+Ti1A0ACke8aV1HsYTXsPcVRX8=9b3=95ugaZrK7FHfr38w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <152cd798030.27fa.ba2ca43ed0d8fe55db1ebf01ab8dfa50@custommade.org.uk>

Not tried on iPlayer stuff, but with FLVs I now always try the -copyts 
flag, this gave me success remuxing an FLV to MP4 (non-iPlayer) with a 
variable video frame rate.

Also a single "-codec copy" will save you some keypresses.

Chris


On 10 February 2016 14:13:27 Tony Scholl <ajscholl at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9 February 2016 at 18:37, C E Macfarlane <c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk> wrote:
>> As per subject line, using this version of ffmpeg under Windows XP ...
>>
>> ffmpeg version 2.2.3 Copyright (c) 2000-2014 the FFmpeg developers
>>   built on Jun 19 2014 20:24:25 with gcc 4.8.3 (GCC)
>>   configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --disable-w32threads --enabl
>> e-avisynth --enable-bzlib --enable-fontconfig --enable-frei0r --enable-gnutl
>> s --enable-iconv --enable-libass --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enabl
>> e-libfreetype --enable-libgme --enable-libgsm --enable-libilbc --enable-libm
>> odplug --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-a
>> mrwb --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libopus --enable-librtmp --enable-libschr
>> oedinger --enable-libsoxr --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libt
>> wolame --enable-libvidstab --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --e
>> nable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libwavpack --enable-libwebp --enabl
>> e-libx264 --enable-libx265 --enable-libxavs --enable-libxvid --enable-deckli
>> nk --enable-zlib
>>
>> ... and trying to extract a section of this ...
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z8cxd
>>
>> ... with the following command ...
>>
>> FFMPEG -i CuirmCeltic-2016-1.mp4 -acodec copy -vcodec copy -ss 1211.5 -to
>> 1465 Chieftains.mp4
>
> You could try putting the -ss option before -i. The seeking is done in
> a different way -
> see http://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Seeking - which might give better
> results (or maybe worse).
>
> In any case, placing -ss before the input file should be much faster.
>
> Tony
>
>> ... leads to a result where the sound is out of sync with the vision.  Can
>> anyone suggest a fix?
>>
>> C E Macfarlane
>> www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> get_iplayer mailing list
>> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer




From don at grunbaum.co.uk  Sat Feb 13 06:28:20 2016
From: don at grunbaum.co.uk (Don Grunbaum)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:28:20 -0000
Subject: Windows 10
Message-ID: <A87F58D44FC2455AA9C5C0B5CBAD395B@Fairstead09>

Hi All

Fairly basic question, but I can't find an answer.

I have a brand new Windows 10 PC. I have installed GiP on it and all 
seems well, except when I try to record anything (using the Browser 
PVR interface) I get Recording Complete without any recording having 
been done, but with a command exit code 1.

I know it's pretty basic, but where have I gone wrong?

TIA

Don 



From kernelbasher at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 10:55:37 2016
From: kernelbasher at gmail.com (Carl Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:55:37 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <A87F58D44FC2455AA9C5C0B5CBAD395B@Fairstead09>
References: <A87F58D44FC2455AA9C5C0B5CBAD395B@Fairstead09>
Message-ID: <56BF7C29.4040100@gmail.com>

Did you try the terminal

On 13/02/16 14:28, Don Grunbaum wrote:
> (using the Browser PVR interface)



From artisticforge at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 11:02:06 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:02:06 -0600
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <A87F58D44FC2455AA9C5C0B5CBAD395B@Fairstead09>
References: <A87F58D44FC2455AA9C5C0B5CBAD395B@Fairstead09>
Message-ID: <CANqy083P5JCZiV1P-hiocn0gULhE6pXMrC99AX87FShP3hWKDw@mail.gmail.com>

hello

sorry, but i am keeping my fingers and mouth shut. ;-)
i know that there are many others thinking exactly what I am thinking
but it shall remain unwritten and unspoken.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Don Grunbaum <don at grunbaum.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Fairly basic question, but I can't find an answer.
>
> I have a brand new Windows 10 PC. I have installed GiP on it and all seems
> well, except when I try to record anything (using the Browser PVR interface)
> I get Recording Complete without any recording having been done, but with a
> command exit code 1.
>
> I know it's pretty basic, but where have I gone wrong?
>
> TIA
>
> Don
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer



-- 
terry l. ridder ><>


From jon at hedgerows.org.uk  Sun Feb 14 10:19:00 2016
From: jon at hedgerows.org.uk (Jon Davies)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:19:00 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <A87F58D44FC2455AA9C5C0B5CBAD395B@Fairstead09>
References: <A87F58D44FC2455AA9C5C0B5CBAD395B@Fairstead09>
Message-ID: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>

On 13 February 2016 at 14:28, Don Grunbaum <don at grunbaum.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Fairly basic question, but I can't find an answer.
>
> I have a brand new Windows 10 PC. I have installed GiP on it and all seems
> well, except when I try to record anything (using the Browser PVR interface)
> I get Recording Complete without any recording having been done, but with a
> command exit code 1.
>
> I know it's pretty basic, but where have I gone wrong?

Likelihood is that you've done nothing wrong - the parts of the BBC
website that get_iplayer uses to find programmes and download them are
all reporting

"This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for
essential maintenance. Please be advised that the programme
information service which is currently available at this URL will soon
be replaced by a new service from the BBC, at a new set of URLs.
Please contact the following email address for further information:
'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'"

So it won't work at the moment.

Since you use Windows, you could always use the BBC's own iPlayer
Downloads app: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install

Jon


From d4xvmhrd at talktalk.net  Sun Feb 14 12:07:00 2016
From: d4xvmhrd at talktalk.net (d4x)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 20:07:00 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>


Jon Davies wrote:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 13 February 2016 at 14:28, Don Grunbaum <don at grunbaum.co.uk> wrote:
 > Hi All
 >
 > Fairly basic question, but I can't find an answer.
 >
 > I have a brand new Windows 10 PC. I have installed GiP on it and all 
seems
 > well, except when I try to record anything (using the Browser PVR 
interface)
 > I get Recording Complete without any recording having been done, but 
with a
 > command exit code 1.
 >
 > I know it's pretty basic, but where have I gone wrong?

Likelihood is that you've done nothing wrong - the parts of the BBC
website that get_iplayer uses to find programmes and download them are
all reporting

"This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for
essential maintenance. Please be advised that the programme
information service which is currently available at this URL will soon
be replaced by a new service from the BBC, at a new set of URLs.
Please contact the following email address for further information:
'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'"

So it won't work at the moment.

Since you use Windows, you could always use the BBC's own iPlayer
Downloads app: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install

Jon
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.




I don't think that was the problem

The last program I successfully downloaded (via command line) has a
timestamp of 13:03 today, 14th February, GMT and my next
attempt at 13:33 failed with:

WARNING: Could not download programme metadata from
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b068fvln.xml
ERROR: Failed to get version pid metadata from iplayer site

Later on, perhaps a couple of hours later, I found that the schedules 
had become
unavailable, as in multiple repeats along the lines of...

WARNING: Failed to download programme schedule http://www.bbc.co.uk/s4c/
programmes/schedules/this_week.xml

Hopefully, when the BBC say 'down for maintenance' they do really mean it
and it will just start working again as it did before. I checked
this list for posts to see how long it was broken for before and was 
surprised it
wasn't longer, it certainly seemed longer at the time.

First one mentioning the issue...
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008590.html
Clive
Wed Jan 13 09:49:42 PST 2016

Panic over...
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008612.html
SquarePenguin
Thu Jan 14 02:06:43 PST 2016




artisticforge said
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
Sat Feb 13 11:02:06 PST 2016

sorry, but i am keeping my fingers and mouth shut. ;-)
i know that there are many others thinking exactly what I am thinking
but it shall remain unwritten and unspoken.
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

nah! don't get it, guess I am of the few

Is it a Windows 10  slag off maybe?

First thing the original poster might try would perhaps be to try another
browser, eg Firefox? Basically Microsoft lost the browser wars I think



20:04 on the 14th GMT, still broken here





From wmandvg at jenniferjackson.ca  Sun Feb 14 13:05:29 2016
From: wmandvg at jenniferjackson.ca (Bill Gardner)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:05:29 +0000
Subject: hello get
Message-ID: <CE6B0C54-DA12-4307-C1C9-53A899EA690A@jenniferjackson.ca>


hi get


http://www.petesoft.com/courage.php?team=mk12vr4w0qm7nc



Bill Gardner

wmandvg at yahoo.com


From alan at soulman1949.com  Sun Feb 14 15:35:09 2016
From: alan at soulman1949.com (Alan Milewczyk)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:35:09 +0800
Subject: Download problems
Message-ID: <56C10F2D.4020602@soulman1949.com>

My downloads seem to have stopped.

On radio searches I'm getting "Could not download programme metadata 
from http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/????????.xml" followed by "ERROR: 
failed to get version pid metadata from iplayer site"
My last successful radio downloads were around noon on Sunday, a 
scheduled download at 21:00 failed and nothing is downloading since.

On TV searches, "WARNING: Failed to download programme schedule". My 
scheduled downloads at 22:00 failed and nothing is downloading now.

Anyone else having these problems?

Alan


From ajebay at errichel.co.uk  Sun Feb 14 15:50:25 2016
From: ajebay at errichel.co.uk (Budge)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:50:25 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <56C112C1.5070803@errichel.co.uk>

On 14/02/16 20:07, d4x wrote:
> [snip]

> Panic over...
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008612.html
> SquarePenguin
> Thu Jan 14 02:06:43 PST 2016
>
> [snip]
>
Sadly not over here!  Neither getting the "index" nor pid worked for me
this evening.

Budge



From artisticforge at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 16:24:01 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:24:01 -0600
Subject: Download problems
In-Reply-To: <56C10F2D.4020602@soulman1949.com>
References: <56C10F2D.4020602@soulman1949.com>
Message-ID: <CANqy083K72xAO+a1=NPp-S96_Qe3dzqPwSuQn-fyOwR+2qWSpg@mail.gmail.com>

hello

it is down for everyone.

<quote>
  This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for
essential maintenance. Please be advised that the programme
information service which is
   currently available at this URL will soon be replaced by a new
service from the BBC, at a new set of URLs. Please contact the
following email address for
   further information: 'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'
<end quote>


On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Alan Milewczyk <alan at soulman1949.com> wrote:
> My downloads seem to have stopped.
>
> On radio searches I'm getting "Could not download programme metadata from
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/????????.xml" followed by "ERROR: failed to
> get version pid metadata from iplayer site"
> My last successful radio downloads were around noon on Sunday, a scheduled
> download at 21:00 failed and nothing is downloading since.
>
> On TV searches, "WARNING: Failed to download programme schedule". My
> scheduled downloads at 22:00 failed and nothing is downloading now.
>
> Anyone else having these problems?
>
> Alan
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer



-- 
terry l. ridder ><>


From alan at soulman1949.com  Sun Feb 14 16:40:50 2016
From: alan at soulman1949.com (Alan Milewczyk)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 08:40:50 +0800
Subject: Download problems
In-Reply-To: <CANqy083K72xAO+a1=NPp-S96_Qe3dzqPwSuQn-fyOwR+2qWSpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56C10F2D.4020602@soulman1949.com>
 <CANqy083K72xAO+a1=NPp-S96_Qe3dzqPwSuQn-fyOwR+2qWSpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C11E92.8080503@soulman1949.com>

Thank you, artisticforge.

A

On 15/02/2016 08:24, artisticforge . wrote:
> hello
>
> it is down for everyone.
>
> <quote>
>    This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for
> essential maintenance. Please be advised that the programme
> information service which is
>     currently available at this URL will soon be replaced by a new
> service from the BBC, at a new set of URLs. Please contact the
> following email address for
>     further information: 'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'
> <end quote>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Alan Milewczyk <alan at soulman1949.com> wrote:
>> My downloads seem to have stopped.
>>
>> On radio searches I'm getting "Could not download programme metadata from
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/????????.xml" followed by "ERROR: failed to
>> get version pid metadata from iplayer site"
>> My last successful radio downloads were around noon on Sunday, a scheduled
>> download at 21:00 failed and nothing is downloading since.
>>
>> On TV searches, "WARNING: Failed to download programme schedule". My
>> scheduled downloads at 22:00 failed and nothing is downloading now.
>>
>> Anyone else having these problems?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> get_iplayer mailing list
>> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>
>



From d4xvmhrd at talktalk.net  Sun Feb 14 16:56:57 2016
From: d4xvmhrd at talktalk.net (d4x)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 00:56:57 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <56C112C1.5070803@errichel.co.uk>
References: <56C112C1.5070803@errichel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56C12259.1020004@talktalk.net>


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,
On 14/02/16 20:07, d4x wrote:
 > [snip]

 > Panic over...
 > http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008612.html
 > SquarePenguin
 > Thu Jan 14 02:06:43 PST 2016
 >
 > [snip]
 >
Sadly not over here!  Neither getting the "index" nor pid worked for me
this evening.

Budge
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>




note the date, January, we are all now in February, probably

I was just trying to get an idea of how long the problem
existed for when GiP broke in an identical way a few weeks ago

basing it on the dates and times I found of posts to this list it was
less than a day, but I don't believe that, the panic seemed to last
much longer to me





From artisticforge at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 17:36:19 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:36:19 -0600
Subject: Download problems
In-Reply-To: <56C11E92.8080503@soulman1949.com>
References: <56C10F2D.4020602@soulman1949.com>
 <CANqy083K72xAO+a1=NPp-S96_Qe3dzqPwSuQn-fyOwR+2qWSpg@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C11E92.8080503@soulman1949.com>
Message-ID: <CANqy083AEhTrUD8BSESSYSpskubtDmYuWiWUAB9GTB0w=FCCmw@mail.gmail.com>

hello

you are welcome.


On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Alan Milewczyk <alan at soulman1949.com> wrote:
> Thank you, artisticforge.
>
> A
>
>
> On 15/02/2016 08:24, artisticforge . wrote:
>>
>> hello
>>
>> it is down for everyone.
>>
>> <quote>
>>    This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for
>> essential maintenance. Please be advised that the programme
>> information service which is
>>     currently available at this URL will soon be replaced by a new
>> service from the BBC, at a new set of URLs. Please contact the
>> following email address for
>>     further information: 'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'
>> <end quote>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Alan Milewczyk <alan at soulman1949.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My downloads seem to have stopped.
>>>
>>> On radio searches I'm getting "Could not download programme metadata from
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/????????.xml" followed by "ERROR: failed
>>> to
>>> get version pid metadata from iplayer site"
>>> My last successful radio downloads were around noon on Sunday, a
>>> scheduled
>>> download at 21:00 failed and nothing is downloading since.
>>>
>>> On TV searches, "WARNING: Failed to download programme schedule". My
>>> scheduled downloads at 22:00 failed and nothing is downloading now.
>>>
>>> Anyone else having these problems?
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> get_iplayer mailing list
>>> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
>>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer



-- 
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From artisticforge at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 17:45:40 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:45:40 -0600
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Okay, what I kept from writing was that the other person's first mistake was
using Microsoft anything. The compound mistake was using Windows 10.

Given those fundamental mistakes it is extremely difficult to fix the problem
without suggesting that the other person install Ubuntu/Debian Linux or get a
Mac. Get a raspberry pi/banana pi/orange pi .

the banana pi m3 looks very interesting, one on order
the orange pi latest version is very interesting also on order.


On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:07 PM, d4x <d4xvmhrd at talktalk.net> wrote:


>
> artisticforge said
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
> Sat Feb 13 11:02:06 PST 2016
>
> sorry, but i am keeping my fingers and mouth shut. ;-)
> i know that there are many others thinking exactly what I am thinking
> but it shall remain unwritten and unspoken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> nah! don't get it, guess I am of the few
>
> Is it a Windows 10  slag off maybe?
>
> First thing the original poster might try would perhaps be to try another
> browser, eg Firefox? Basically Microsoft lost the browser wars I think
>
>
>



-- 
terry l. ridder ><>


From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Sun Feb 14 18:22:08 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 04:22:08 +0200
Subject: Download problems
In-Reply-To: <56C10F2D.4020602@soulman1949.com>
Message-ID: <69A9D60E63734B1C9BC450EEAC2008A2@vasonote>

On Sun Feb 14 23:35:09 GMT 2016, Alan Milewczyk wrote:

> My downloads seem to have stopped.
> (snip)
> Anyone else having these problems?

Most sadly it's a repetition of events from Jan 13th 2016:

http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008598.html

Today's (14/02/2016) support forum thread:

https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/thread-658.html

Announcement from dinkypumpkin:

https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/announcement-6.html

He wants us to shift to youtube-dl, a python script.

https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/blob/master/README.md#readme

http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html

Downloads repo:
https://yt-dl.org/downloads/?C=M;O=D
(Windows users should fetch the standalone executable,
"youtube-dl.exe", no need to install Python first; bookmark
the repo page and check manually for updates, it does get
updated pretty often; just overwrite previous executable.
For iPlayer, you'd also want FFmpeg/rtmpdump, as per:

https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/blob/master/README.md#on-windows-how-should-i-set-up-ffmpeg-and-youtube-dl-where-should-i-put-the-exe-files

But of course, you first have to familiarise yourself with a
totally (to most of you) new app (CLI only), with a new
(& long) set of options/arguments.

Personally, I'll wait for a few days to see how things unfold;
in the meantime, and against the recommendations of dinkypumkin,
I will continue using specific commits of the main perl script from
the (2.95dev) develop branch of GiP:

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commits/develop/get_iplayer

The following commit:

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/b9adeaa

made downloading via --pid possible even in the event
the .xml/.rdf programme pages are down (like currently);

I mainly fetch radio, the radio.cache still builds fine:

get_iplayer --type=radio -f --force

and although GiP 2.94 is broken when trying to execute, e.g:

get_iplayer --type=radio 13101 -g

2.95dev (commit git-488ab9b) succeeds:

perl get_iplayer-295dev-g488ab9b.pl --type=radio 13101 -g

=================================================
Matches:
13101:  The Official Chart with Greg James - Scott Mills sits in, BBC Radio 
1,

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
WARNING: Could not download programme metadata from 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/program
mes/b06zqhtr.xml
INFO: Checking existence of default version
INFO: flashlow1,flashlow2 modes will be tried for version default
INFO: Trying flashlow1 mode to record radio: The Official Chart with Greg 
James
- Scott Mills sits in
INFO: File name prefix = 
The_Official_Chart_with_Greg_James_-_Scott_Mills_sits_i
n_b06zqhtr_default
INFO: Begin recording file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\The_Official_Chart_wi
th_Greg_James_-_Scott_Mills_sits_in_b06zqhtr_default.m4a
RTMPDump v2.4 GIT-2015-12-14 (Compiled by KSV)
(c) 2010 Andrej Stepanchuk, Howard Chu, The Flvstreamer Team; license: GPL
Connecting ...
INFO: Connected...
Starting download at: 0.000 kB
INFO: Metadata:
INFO:   duration                7398.40
INFO:   moovPosition            28.00
INFO:   audiocodecid            mp4a
INFO:   aacaot                  2.00
INFO:   audiosamplerate         24000.00
INFO:   audiochannels           2.00
INFO: trackinfo:
INFO:   length                  177561600.00
INFO:   timescale               24000.00
INFO:   language                und
INFO: sampledescription:
INFO:   sampletype              mp4a
46229.042 kB / 7398.36 sec (99.9%)
Download complete
INFO: Begin converting file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\The_Official_Chart_w
ith_Greg_James_-_Scott_Mills_sits_in_b06zqhtr_default.partial.m4a.flv
size=   44029kB time=02:03:18.40 bitrate=  48.8kbits/s speed=1.44e+003x
INFO: Converted file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\The_Official_Chart_with_Gre
g_James_-_Scott_Mills_sits_in_b06zqhtr_default.partial.m4a
INFO: Recorded file: D:\Vangelis\iPlayer 
Recordings\The_Official_Chart_with_Greg
_James_-_Scott_Mills_sits_in_b06zqhtr_default.m4a

INFO: MP4 tagging M4A file

 Started writing to temp file.
 Progress: =============================================>100%|
 Finished writing to temp file.
=================================================

Caveat:
 Because the main programme metadata pages
are down, tag metadata are sparse/incomplete/wrong;
the embedded thumbnail is also wrong in the case of this
specific programme (showing Reggie Yates (!) instead of
Scott Mills).
 JSON playlist page is still online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06zqhtr/playlist.json
(probably the reason 2.95dev achieves the
download) with a "recipe" to the correct thumbnail (e.g.
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p02n3p5h.jpg ),
so this may be yet another bug, but ATM correct M4A
metadata is not my main worry (I can always amend manually...).

Please, don't flood me with questions about how to
obtain/use the dev version, search the January 2016 list archives:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/date.html
where I (and others) have already posted
crude guides (that usually work...).
In addition:
If on Linux, see:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-January/008541.html
If on Windows,
a now removed guide by DP can be found at:
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/githeadwin/d6452129dbfa3dad1d18d8c067dff8a4e0948f0c

Replace the script download URL with:
https://raw.github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/develop/get_iplayer

PROCEDE AT YOUR OWN RISK,
taking preventive measures to undo any changes made
to your original installation!

The safest thing to do right now is wait and see
if the beeb induced issue is self-fixed like before
(it lasted two days, maybe three...) - I would begin to
seriously worry after it has persisted for more than a week...

Off to bed now,
regards,
Vangelis. 



From widgery.david at orange.fr  Mon Feb 15 01:07:03 2016
From: widgery.david at orange.fr (David WIDGERY)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 10:07:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Download Problems
Message-ID: <563089568.3043.1455527223893.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d23>

Hi

Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding the current problem, but as I understand it the bbc have done something that means that we can no longer get a full index of programs available. But you can download a program if you know its pid.

If I remember correctly a year or so ago when we had major problems there were discussions about scouring the bbc website to build the index that way, this was rejected for lots of good reasons.

But most of us do not need a list of all the programs, just the ones we are interested in, is there an easy way from a CLI to search the website and extract the pids and (possibly other required data) of programs using keywords, (eg "pointless" , "death in paradise" etc) possibly even using the websites built in search facility.

I realise that you have to know what you want beforehand and is not an ideal solution, but might help as a stopgap.

It is 20 years since I have done any programming and have never tried to interigrate a website so if there are lots of obvious reasons why my suggestion won't please forgive my ignorance.

Dave


From rob.wood at synigy.com  Mon Feb 15 01:10:13 2016
From: rob.wood at synigy.com (Rob Wood)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:10:13 +0000
Subject: Getting feeds failed on or just before 14th Feb
Message-ID: <56C195F5.2060301@synigy.com>

All,

The list is very quiet so maybe it's just me with the problem but my 
get_iplayer v2.94 is failing to get programme schedules with a typical 
error of

WARNING: Failed to download programme schedule 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/ni_hd/this_week.xml


I had a look in a browser to see if I could work out what was happening 
and for a random PID taken off the iPlayer front page I got the 
following for http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02j5mqy.xml

"This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for essential 
maintenance. Please be advised that the programme information service 
which is currently available at this URL will soon be replaced by a new 
service from the BBC, at a new set of URLs. Please contact the following 
email address for further information: 
'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'"

Is this just my problem?

Thanks,

Rob


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From artisticforge at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 01:58:18 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 03:58:18 -0600
Subject: Getting feeds failed on or just before 14th Feb
In-Reply-To: <56C195F5.2060301@synigy.com>
References: <56C195F5.2060301@synigy.com>
Message-ID: <CANqy0807PU1Hwut87TLt80KTYJHiPjJMGRB=Vgn7TDCPpYrJKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Everyone has the same problem.
The bbc turned off the faucet.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Rob Wood <rob.wood at synigy.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> The list is very quiet so maybe it's just me with the problem but my
> get_iplayer v2.94 is failing to get programme schedules with a typical error
> of
>
> WARNING: Failed to download programme schedule
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/ni_hd/this_week.xml
>
>
> I had a look in a browser to see if I could work out what was happening and
> for a random PID taken off the iPlayer front page I got the following for
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02j5mqy.xml
>
> "This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for essential
> maintenance. Please be advised that the programme information service which
> is currently available at this URL will soon be replaced by a new service
> from the BBC, at a new set of URLs. Please contact the following email
> address for further information: 'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'"
>
> Is this just my problem?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>
> --
> Contact information:
>  Rob Wood
>  01934-807645
> Mobile 07535 946 900
> rob.wood at synigy.com
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From artisticforge at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 02:21:26 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 04:21:26 -0600
Subject: Download Problems
In-Reply-To: <563089568.3043.1455527223893.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d23>
References: <563089568.3043.1455527223893.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d23>
Message-ID: <CANqy082B_x+B3fDmX-okLOyVq=TPBVH4sJ4SnSbtokgnw1++KQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Look at the list archive for a posting from Vangelis. He explained in
detail just what would have to be done to fetch a prigram.


On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 3:07 AM, David WIDGERY <widgery.david at orange.fr> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding the current problem, but as I understand it the bbc have done something that means that we can no longer get a full index of programs available. But you can download a program if you know its pid.
>
> If I remember correctly a year or so ago when we had major problems there were discussions about scouring the bbc website to build the index that way, this was rejected for lots of good reasons.
>
> But most of us do not need a list of all the programs, just the ones we are interested in, is there an easy way from a CLI to search the website and extract the pids and (possibly other required data) of programs using keywords, (eg "pointless" , "death in paradise" etc) possibly even using the websites built in search facility.
>
> I realise that you have to know what you want beforehand and is not an ideal solution, but might help as a stopgap.
>
> It is 20 years since I have done any programming and have never tried to interigrate a website so if there are lots of obvious reasons why my suggestion won't please forgive my ignorance.
>
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer



-- 
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From madtom1999 at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 15 02:25:04 2016
From: madtom1999 at googlemail.com (Tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 10:25:04 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C1A780.7070002@localhost>

Simple downloading works on the raspberrypi zero at ?4.20 (well plus SD 
and wireless card and a cable to plug into the USB power...
Tom

On 15/02/16 01:45, artisticforge . wrote:
> Hello
>
> Okay, what I kept from writing was that the other person's first mistake was
> using Microsoft anything. The compound mistake was using Windows 10.
>
> Given those fundamental mistakes it is extremely difficult to fix the problem
> without suggesting that the other person install Ubuntu/Debian Linux or get a
> Mac. Get a raspberry pi/banana pi/orange pi .
>
> the banana pi m3 looks very interesting, one on order
> the orange pi latest version is very interesting also on order.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:07 PM, d4x <d4xvmhrd at talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> artisticforge said
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
>> Sat Feb 13 11:02:06 PST 2016
>>
>> sorry, but i am keeping my fingers and mouth shut. ;-)
>> i know that there are many others thinking exactly what I am thinking
>> but it shall remain unwritten and unspoken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> nah! don't get it, guess I am of the few
>>
>> Is it a Windows 10  slag off maybe?
>>
>> First thing the original poster might try would perhaps be to try another
>> browser, eg Firefox? Basically Microsoft lost the browser wars I think
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



From george at eycott.co.uk  Mon Feb 15 02:36:53 2016
From: george at eycott.co.uk (George Eycott)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 10:36:53 -0000
Subject: Download Problems
In-Reply-To: <CANqy082B_x+B3fDmX-okLOyVq=TPBVH4sJ4SnSbtokgnw1++KQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <563089568.3043.1455527223893.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d23>
 <CANqy082B_x+B3fDmX-okLOyVq=TPBVH4sJ4SnSbtokgnw1++KQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e701d167dc$c9ba9790$5d2fc6b0$@eycott.co.uk>

Working again for me now anyway. Seems to have been another temporary short
term blip. I suspect the BBC are deliberately taking the feeds offline in
non peak times to see what breaks and who complains. The logical extension
of this is that the offline periods will extend as the project progresses
until they turn them off completely.... :-( 

Oh and suggestions from some that GIP users should switch operating systems
will not make any difference to this problem!

Cheers

George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-bounces at lists.infradead.org] On
> Behalf Of artisticforge .
> Sent: 15 February 2016 10:21
> To: David WIDGERY <widgery.david at orange.fr>
> Cc: get_iplayer <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
> Subject: Re: Download Problems
> 
> Hello
> 
> Look at the list archive for a posting from Vangelis. He explained in
detail just
> what would have to be done to fetch a prigram.
> 




From alan at soulman1949.com  Mon Feb 15 03:06:17 2016
From: alan at soulman1949.com (Alan Milewczyk)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 19:06:17 +0800
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com>

On 15/02/2016 09:45, artisticforge . wrote:
> Hello
>
> Okay, what I kept from writing was that the other person's first mistake was
> using Microsoft anything. The compound mistake was using Windows 10.
>
> Given those fundamental mistakes it is extremely difficult to fix the problem
> without suggesting that the other person install Ubuntu/Debian Linux or get a
> Mac. Get a raspberry pi/banana pi/orange pi .

OK, I'll bite!

Oh boy, it must be such a perfect and superior world that you live in! 
;-) Try listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYKWch_MNY0

Whatever its faults (and they are many), MS helped millions harness the 
power of ordinary computing. I started in IT in December 1970 working as 
part of an engineering team on ?2Million+ mainframes. In those days the 
only people that got anywhere near computers were men in white coats 
(formerly known as "boffins") working in clean-air installations.

As someone who ended his working days teaching (mainly) elderly citizens 
how to use PCs and access the net, I know they were grateful for 
something relatively inexpensive and fairly intuitive - they would not 
have been able to afford Mac prices for their proprietary products (I 
developed a loathing for proprietary systems during my mainframe days) 
nor would they have relished the relatively steep and confusing learning 
curve of Linux. Betamax may have been a superior system but lost out to 
VHS, a lesson apparently lost on MS-bashing snobs. MS helped bring about 
power to the people, something that millions value.

</rant over>


> the banana pi m3 looks very interesting, one on order
> the orange pi latest version is very interesting also on order.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:07 PM, d4x <d4xvmhrd at talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>
>> artisticforge said
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
>> Sat Feb 13 11:02:06 PST 2016
>>
>> sorry, but i am keeping my fingers and mouth shut. ;-)
>> i know that there are many others thinking exactly what I am thinking
>> but it shall remain unwritten and unspoken.
>> nah! don't get it, guess I am of the few
>>
>> Is it a Windows 10  slag off maybe?
>>
>> First thing the original poster might try would perhaps be to try another
>> browser, eg Firefox? Basically Microsoft lost the browser wars I think
>>
>>
>>
>
>



From web at audiomisc.co.uk  Mon Feb 15 04:22:16 2016
From: web at audiomisc.co.uk (Jim web)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:22:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com>
Message-ID: <55524992e2web@audiomisc.co.uk>

In article <56C1B129.3010309 at soulman1949.com>, Alan Milewczyk
<alan at soulman1949.com> wrote:
> On 15/02/2016 09:45, artisticforge . wrote:

Really *not* the place, but for some balance...

> Oh boy, it must be such a perfect and superior world that you live in!
> ;-) Try listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYKWch_MNY0

> Whatever its faults (and they are many), MS helped millions harness the
> power of ordinary computing.

Well 'flocking' behaviour was also used by MS to held drive competing
systems - e.g. the Acorn RO machines - out of schools. Their dealers joined
school boards and wanted the students trained in Word, etc. Both choice and
*education* about computing suffered and we got 'training on how to use MS
programs' in its place. The effect in higher/later education was all too
clear as the cohorts rolled in with more limited understanding.

Made worse when MS and others came up with their own closed and controlled
'dialects'  and compiler quirks etc for nominally standard languages like
'C'.


> As someone who ended his working days teaching (mainly) elderly citizens
> how to use PCs and access the net, I know they were grateful for
> something relatively inexpensive and fairly intuitive - they would not
> have been able to afford Mac prices for their proprietary products 

And as someone who worked for a few decades at Unis I found that
MS-dominated schools and offices tends to sap being able to get many
students to learn about computing. Again as a matter of them being able to
do things as they wanted and really understand, program, etc.

Education != Training.

MS != Computing.

Quasi-Monopoly closed source != individual empowerment of users.

> (MS helped bring about power to the people, something that millions
> value.

<sic>

Bit like how Fox News and News of The World  brought news to the masses, I
guess. Millions probably value(d) them as well... 8-]

However if people like MS products and they can do what they want as they
want with their products, that fine with me. Choose your own socks and tie.
But I don't take that to assume MS lead to what was claimed above as my
experience of the results has been *very* different.

OK, lets stop there. You;ve had your rant and I've had mine. Neither of us
will convince the other. :-)

Jim

-- 
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html



From james at jls-radio.com  Mon Feb 15 04:59:35 2016
From: james at jls-radio.com (James Scholes)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:59:35 +0000
Subject: Download Problems
In-Reply-To: <00e701d167dc$c9ba9790$5d2fc6b0$@eycott.co.uk>
References: <563089568.3043.1455527223893.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d23>
 <CANqy082B_x+B3fDmX-okLOyVq=TPBVH4sJ4SnSbtokgnw1++KQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <00e701d167dc$c9ba9790$5d2fc6b0$@eycott.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56C1CBB7.2020605@jls-radio.com>

George Eycott wrote:
> I suspect the BBC are deliberately taking the feeds offline in non
> peak times to see what breaks and who complains. The logical
> extension of this is that the offline periods will extend as the
> project progresses until they turn them off completely.... :-(

As disappointing as all of this is, it has been expected for quite some
time.  Blog posts as early as 2014 (possibly earlier) hinted at the
/programmes data views being turned off in the near future.  Since then,
and to this day, when you access an endpoint that is due to be retired,
you receive the following HTTP header:

X-Aps-Deprecation-Notice: APS is soon to be deprecated. It will first of
all cease to be supported on a 24/7 basis, and will then cease
responding entirely.

I'd say it's a miracle that the feeds have remained online until now, a
decision probably driven only by the constantly-changing, sometimes beta
quality new Nitro API and its adoption (or lack thereof) outside of the BBC.
-- 
James Scholes
http://twitter.com/JamesScholes


From roger at tricker.co.uk  Mon Feb 15 05:00:22 2016
From: roger at tricker.co.uk (Roger Tricker)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 13:00:22 -0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <55524992e2web@audiomisc.co.uk>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com> <55524992e2web@audiomisc.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0EF19EB817A0406198CC75E80B29D8EF@userPC>

As someone who only records by entering the PID into the Quick URL box and 
pressing record, would moving from Windows 7 to Windows 10 affect my ability 
to record, please?

Thanks
RogerWithoutaD

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim web
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 12:22 PM
To: get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Windows 10

In article <56C1B129.3010309 at soulman1949.com>, Alan Milewczyk
<alan at soulman1949.com> wrote:
> On 15/02/2016 09:45, artisticforge . wrote:

Really *not* the place, but for some balance...

> Oh boy, it must be such a perfect and superior world that you live in!
> ;-) Try listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYKWch_MNY0

> Whatever its faults (and they are many), MS helped millions harness the
> power of ordinary computing.

Well 'flocking' behaviour was also used by MS to held drive competing
systems - e.g. the Acorn RO machines - out of schools. Their dealers joined
school boards and wanted the students trained in Word, etc. Both choice and
*education* about computing suffered and we got 'training on how to use MS
programs' in its place. The effect in higher/later education was all too
clear as the cohorts rolled in with more limited understanding.

Made worse when MS and others came up with their own closed and controlled
'dialects'  and compiler quirks etc for nominally standard languages like
'C'.


> As someone who ended his working days teaching (mainly) elderly citizens
> how to use PCs and access the net, I know they were grateful for
> something relatively inexpensive and fairly intuitive - they would not
> have been able to afford Mac prices for their proprietary products

And as someone who worked for a few decades at Unis I found that
MS-dominated schools and offices tends to sap being able to get many
students to learn about computing. Again as a matter of them being able to
do things as they wanted and really understand, program, etc.

Education != Training.

MS != Computing.

Quasi-Monopoly closed source != individual empowerment of users.

> (MS helped bring about power to the people, something that millions
> value.

<sic>

Bit like how Fox News and News of The World  brought news to the masses, I
guess. Millions probably value(d) them as well... 8-]

However if people like MS products and they can do what they want as they
want with their products, that fine with me. Choose your own socks and tie.
But I don't take that to assume MS lead to what was claimed above as my
experience of the results has been *very* different.

OK, lets stop there. You;ve had your rant and I've had mine. Neither of us
will convince the other. :-)

Jim

-- 
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html


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From txf at klan.net.cn  Mon Feb 15 05:57:45 2016
From: txf at klan.net.cn (=?utf-8?B?5omL5py65p2l55S16Zeq?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 21:57:45 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?B?5omL5py65p2l55S16Zeq?=
Message-ID: <20160215215759400012@klan.net.cn>

????????Q?:343257759

From artisticforge at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 07:46:14 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:46:14 -0600
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com>
Message-ID: <CANqy080PPcv5hoLT0dtXKw0L1FkqKcLvHR66KqxgU1_=TuOOmw@mail.gmail.com>

hello

MS did one thing and one thing only, they managed to DUMB down the entire
educational systems of many nations.



-- 
terry l. ridder ><>


From chris at chrism.demon.co.uk  Mon Feb 15 09:44:41 2016
From: chris at chrism.demon.co.uk (Chris Marriott)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:44:41 -0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <CANqy080PPcv5hoLT0dtXKw0L1FkqKcLvHR66KqxgU1_=TuOOmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com>
 <CANqy080PPcv5hoLT0dtXKw0L1FkqKcLvHR66KqxgU1_=TuOOmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60BE7FC5516D4D53A0A667C56936D670@Timelord>

Can we PLEASE keep the advocacy posts off this list? I subscribe to read 
about GiP, not the pros or cons of different operating systems.

Thanks,

Chris



From michaeltnorman at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 10:05:15 2016
From: michaeltnorman at gmail.com (michael norman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:05:15 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <60BE7FC5516D4D53A0A667C56936D670@Timelord>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com>
 <CANqy080PPcv5hoLT0dtXKw0L1FkqKcLvHR66KqxgU1_=TuOOmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <60BE7FC5516D4D53A0A667C56936D670@Timelord>
Message-ID: <56C2135B.3000204@gmail.com>

On 15/02/16 17:44, Chris Marriott wrote:
> Can we PLEASE keep the advocacy posts off this list? I subscribe to read
> about GiP, not the pros or cons of different operating systems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
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From jon at hedgerows.org.uk  Mon Feb 15 12:54:37 2016
From: jon at hedgerows.org.uk (Jon Davies)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 20:54:37 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <0EF19EB817A0406198CC75E80B29D8EF@userPC>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com> <55524992e2web@audiomisc.co.uk>
 <0EF19EB817A0406198CC75E80B29D8EF@userPC>
Message-ID: <28865927-0CB8-40C2-9B11-794BF1B52762@hedgerows.org.uk>


> On 15 Feb 2016, at 13:00, Roger Tricker <roger at tricker.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> As someone who only records by entering the PID into the Quick URL box and pressing record, would moving from Windows 7 to Windows 10 affect my ability to record, please?
> 
> Thanks
> RogerWithoutaD
No, it won't make any difference. Nor would changing to any of the other supported operating systems.

However, it's looking more and more likely that parts of the BBC website that get-iplayer depends upon are going to disappear, so it may become a moot point. 

Jon



From roger at tricker.co.uk  Mon Feb 15 12:56:36 2016
From: roger at tricker.co.uk (Roger Tricker)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 20:56:36 -0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <28865927-0CB8-40C2-9B11-794BF1B52762@hedgerows.org.uk>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com> <55524992e2web@audiomisc.co.uk>
 <0EF19EB817A0406198CC75E80B29D8EF@userPC>
 <28865927-0CB8-40C2-9B11-794BF1B52762@hedgerows.org.uk>
Message-ID: <558329CAAAC740E3AEA155E302402DC4@userPC>

Thanks Jon

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jon Davies
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:54 PM
To: Roger Tricker
Cc: Jim web ; get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Windows 10


> On 15 Feb 2016, at 13:00, Roger Tricker <roger at tricker.co.uk> wrote:
>
> As someone who only records by entering the PID into the Quick URL box and 
> pressing record, would moving from Windows 7 to Windows 10 affect my 
> ability to record, please?
>
> Thanks
> RogerWithoutaD
No, it won't make any difference. Nor would changing to any of the other 
supported operating systems.

However, it's looking more and more likely that parts of the BBC website 
that get-iplayer depends upon are going to disappear, so it may become a 
moot point.

Jon



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From roadcone at gmx.com  Sun Feb 14 11:40:19 2016
From: roadcone at gmx.com (Clive)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:40:19 +0000
Subject: WARNING: Could not download programme metadata from
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b070601z.xml
Message-ID: <56C0D823.4090007@gmx.com>

Came back yesterday after a week away and all was fine while I started 
catching up. This evening produces the above error message for all items 
I have tried (with the pid varying, of course).

I am on Linux Mint using Terminal with get_iplayer version 
2.94-2-g52a2c12-ppa23p4.

Can anyone offer assistance please?

Regards

Clive



From c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk  Sun Feb 14 08:44:16 2016
From: c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk (C E Macfarlane)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 16:44:16 -0000
Subject: GiP 2.94 & 2.95dev not working
Message-ID: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGMEPGCMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>

Neither GetIPlayer 2.94 nor 2.95dev currently able to download programme
information.  Example:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/programmes/schedules/this_week.xml
"This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for essential
maintenance. Please be advised that the programme information service which
is currently available at this URL will soon be replaced by a new service
from the BBC, at a new set of URLs. Please contact the following email
address for further information: 'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'"

www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html



From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Sun Feb 14 14:20:18 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:20:18 +0100
Subject: get_iplayer Broken Again!! (Feb 2016)
Message-ID: <trinity-b1989b05-de42-4154-8eb7-b04915c06dde-1455488418554@3capp-mailcom-bs11>

Hi All,
Once again the BBC has killed get_iplayer by removing the data sources it uses. This is the same problem as last month.

See: https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/announcement-6.html


From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Sun Feb 14 13:57:43 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:57:43 +0100
Subject: get_iplayer Broken Again!! (Feb 2016)
Message-ID: <trinity-720ef356-4347-420b-9db6-39b5178140c4-1455487063749@3capp-mailcom-bs16>

Hi All,
Once again the BBC has killed get_iplayer by removing the data sources it uses. This is the same problem as last month.

See https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/announcement-6.html


From c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk  Sun Feb 14 14:04:46 2016
From: c.e.macfarlane at macfh.co.uk (C E Macfarlane)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:04:46 -0000
Subject: Test
Message-ID: <PHEAIHCMJKHMHMOFBPOGAEPICMAA.c.e.macfarlane@macfh.co.uk>

Previous post lost in black-hole ...

www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html


From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Sun Feb 14 14:44:57 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:44:57 +0100
Subject: get_iplayer currently broken...
In-Reply-To: <4C637568B5D042479DB2CBC612E0B82F@vasonote>
References: <4C637568B5D042479DB2CBC612E0B82F@vasonote>
Message-ID: <trinity-8754624c-2459-4067-aa2c-59b31aee113d-1455489897734@3capp-mailcom-bs08>

Unfortunately it's happened again and they have disabled the data sources. These may or may not come back again.

See Announcement: https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/announcement-6.html

> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:32 PM
> From: "Vangelis forthnet" <northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr>
> To: get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> Subject: get_iplayer currently broken...
>
> Sadly, from ca. 16:00 GMT today (13/01/2016),
> GiP is belly up :-(
> 
> Manifestation:
> 
> 1. TV cache via the schedule feeds can't be refreshed
> (Radio cache refreshes normally).
> 
> The reason for the TV cache refresh failure is that URLs
> of the following pattern:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/<channel>/programmes/schedules/this_week.xml
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/<channel>/programmes/schedules/last_week.xml
> 
> do not fetch expected schedule feeds, but the message posted already:
> 
> > This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for essential 
> > maintenance.
> > Please be advised that the programme information service
> > which is currently available at this URL
> > will soon be replaced by a new service from the BBC,
> > at a new set of URLs.
> > Please contact the following email address for further information:
> > 'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'
> 
> Refresh of the TV cache was erratic, at best, during the
> last few days, now not working at all.
> 
> 2. Download attempts fail completely,
> even with the "--pid" method
> 
> This is because GiP loads URLs of the following template:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/<pid>.xml
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/<pid>.rdf
> 
> to retrieve the vpid string (that grants access to
> available streams) and grab other available metadata;
> those URLs now also return the above message...
> 
> Over on the iPlayer site itself, using Firefox,
> both TV & Radio do seem to play OK;
> the TV programmes's vpid string is, I believe,
> buried deep inside page source, the default
> stream delivery method on desktop browser
> is AdobeHDS.
> 
> For radio, the JSON playlist is being used
> by the embedded player, which is of the template:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/<pid>/playlist.json
> 
> that seems to load more reliably, but it does
> sometimes return (at least from my location)
> the infamous "downtime" message...
> Again, default stream delivery
> for audio is AdobeHDS.
> 
> The "--playlist-metadata" switch was "ignored" in 2.94
> (and removed in 2.95dev) in this commit:
> 
> https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/116d272
> 
> "--playlist-metadata" was supposed to
> 
> > Force use of playlists (XML and JSON) for programme metadata
> > instead of /programmes data endpoints
> 
> however, after reverting the commit on my local
> copy of GiP 2.94 and issuing
> 
> perl 
> get_iplayer-294.pl --type=radio --pid=b06vf205 --playlist-metadata --modes=flashaac 
>  --force --raw -v
> 
> the script only tried the long-gone XML playlist :
> 
> ====================================
> INFO: pid found in cache
> Matches:
> 11363:  Greg James - Greg has the latest Chart Update, BBC Radio 1,
> 
> INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
> INFO: iPlayer metadata URL = http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlist/b06vf205
> INFO: Getting page http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlist/b06vf205
> ERROR: Failed to get version pid metadata from iplayer site
> 
> ERROR: Could not get version pid metadata
> ERROR: Could not get programme metadata
> ====================================
> 
> and not the JSON playlist that appears to still work...
> 
> If the XML/RDF metadata pages are gone for good
> (possibly to be replaced by Nitro URLs), this will
> constitute a major setback to GiP - the JSON playlists
> (not available for all VOD as I recall) could prove a stopgap,
> but their future may also be short (given that they, too,
> produce the "replacement" notice).
> 
> Another case where the existence of a "--vpid" switch
> in GiP could've proved a lifesaver; I can find manually
> the vpid (right-clicking the embedded player, via page
> source, via JSON playlist etc.), the mediaselector/5 URLs
> do still function normally, so stream access is still feasible
> in this emergency, alas not for GiP.
> Time to get back to composing manually rtmpdump/ffmpeg
> commands... and AdobeHDS.php is of invaluable help, too!
> 
> As tellyaddict (tvfan) advised, better keep an eye
> on the support forums for any developments:
> https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/
> No point in "me, too" posts either here in the
> list or the forums, though...
> 
> Let's hope this thing is just
> a temporary mishap on the beeb's side...
> 
> V. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
> 


From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Sun Feb 14 14:27:46 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:27:46 +0100
Subject: get_iplayer Broken Again!! (Feb 2016)
Message-ID: <trinity-4520a7a5-655b-4fe9-b9ff-d7abedb16e5d-1455488866464@3capp-mailcom-bs11>

Hi All,
Once again the BBC has killed get_iplayer by removing the data sources it uses. This is the same problem as last month.


From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Sun Feb 14 14:37:15 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:37:15 +0100
Subject: get_iplayer Broken Again!!
Message-ID: <trinity-c9d6d718-56b6-4f95-a756-4d841edf37f1-1455489435773@3capp-mailcom-bs08>

Hi All,
Once again the BBC has killed get_iplayer by removing the data sources it uses. This is the same problem as last month.

See https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/announcement-6.html


From mail at john-eason.co.uk  Tue Feb 16 01:08:00 2016
From: mail at john-eason.co.uk (J K.Eason)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:08 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: get_iplayer Broken Again!!
In-Reply-To: <trinity-c9d6d718-56b6-4f95-a756-4d841edf37f1-1455489435773@3capp-mailcom-bs08>
Message-ID: <memo.20160216090819.7520A@jeason.cix.co.uk>

It was working fine for me at the time of your posting and is
downloading another test program as I type after retrieving the listings
this morning.
 This is via the command line on Windows 7 using v2.94.
-- 
Regards
       John 


From roger at firedrake.org  Tue Feb 16 01:16:56 2016
From: roger at firedrake.org (Roger Bell_West)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:16:56 +0000
Subject: get_iplayer Broken Again!!
In-Reply-To: <memo.20160216090819.7520A@jeason.cix.co.uk>
References: <trinity-c9d6d718-56b6-4f95-a756-4d841edf37f1-1455489435773@3capp-mailcom-bs08>
 <memo.20160216090819.7520A@jeason.cix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20160216091656.GA4573@firedrake.org>

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 09:08:00AM +0000, J K.Eason wrote:
>It was working fine for me at the time of your posting and is
>downloading another test program as I type after retrieving the listings
>this morning.
> This is via the command line on Windows 7 using v2.94.

Check the date on tellyaddict's posts - they're all from Sunday.


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 01:17:17 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:17:17 +0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>

To cater for the yoof market BBC 3 is going online only. However this
is on the proviso that all ex-BBC 3 programmes are aired at least once
on the 'mature' channels BBC 1 / 2 / 4.

This latter is to the disgust of older than average licence fee payers
- there's too much 'yoof' stuff on ITV as it is - now the Beeb is
following the trend. Huh - just how many times do you want to watch
"Don't Tell The Bride'? But that's moving to Sky 1 later this year.

Anyway I've just done a GiP cache refresh for Radio and TV and the
former was as long as usual, the latter quite short.

BTW I wonder if the recent outages were caused by the Beeb engineers
removing BBC 3 content from the iPlayer servers? The moot point being
whether BBC 3 online content will be available via iPlayer and
get_iplayer?

Family Guy is moving to BBC 2 AND ITV 2!!! Yet American Dad seems to
be left out.

CJB


From mail at john-eason.co.uk  Tue Feb 16 01:28:00 2016
From: mail at john-eason.co.uk (J K.Eason)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:28 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: get_iplayer Broken Again!!
In-Reply-To: <20160216091656.GA4573@firedrake.org>
Message-ID: <memo.20160216092816.7520B@jeason.cix.co.uk>

> *From:* Roger Bell_West <roger at firedrake.org>
> *To:* get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> *Date:* Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:16:56 +0000
> 
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 09:08:00AM +0000, J K.Eason wrote:
> >It was working fine for me at the time of your posting and is
> >downloading another test program as I type after retrieving the 
> listings
> >this morning.
> > This is via the command line on Windows 7 using v2.94.
> 
> Check the date on tellyaddict's posts - they're all from Sunday.

 Ah ok. Probably reorganising due to the BBC3 shut down.

Regards
       John


From artisticforge at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 04:07:39 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 06:07:39 -0600
Subject: groundhog day or wormhole?
Message-ID: <CANqy083+zwmDKkb3grX9TQ=tSKgOOLXEeUQLXrU1BcVbeb118Q@mail.gmail.com>

hello

why all the postings from two days ago?
somebody's e-mail server have a hiccup?
Can we not filter these out before bouncing them to the list?

-- 
terry l. ridder ><>


From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Tue Feb 16 06:19:22 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:19:22 +0100
Subject: groundhog day or wormhole?
In-Reply-To: <CANqy083+zwmDKkb3grX9TQ=tSKgOOLXEeUQLXrU1BcVbeb118Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANqy083+zwmDKkb3grX9TQ=tSKgOOLXEeUQLXrU1BcVbeb118Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <trinity-6cc971c5-aa0c-4fca-82c0-785412e83c4b-1455632362223@3capp-mailcom-bs06>

Indeed that seems to be the case. My messages to the list from a couple of days ago didn't appear and I wasn't getting copies of the emails sent to the list. And suddenly today, everything appears.

> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 12:07 PM
> From: "artisticforge ." <artisticforge at gmail.com>
> To: get_iplayer <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
> Subject: groundhog day or wormhole?
>
> hello
> 
> why all the postings from two days ago?
> somebody's e-mail server have a hiccup?
> Can we not filter these out before bouncing them to the list?
> 
> -- 
> terry l. ridder ><>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
> 


From don.grunbaum at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 10:38:17 2016
From: don.grunbaum at gmail.com (Don Grunbaum (Gmail))
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:38:17 -0000
Subject: Windows 10
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com> <55524992e2web@audiomisc.co.uk>
 <0EF19EB817A0406198CC75E80B29D8EF@userPC>
 <28865927-0CB8-40C2-9B11-794BF1B52762@hedgerows.org.uk>
 <558329CAAAC740E3AEA155E302402DC4@userPC>
Message-ID: <695E5807975E42CC81B7B385F64FE8C0@Fairstead09>

Well, I didn't expect that!

Thanks for all the responses, useful and not so useful.

The answer wasn't a change of OS or hardware.

I uninstalled and re-installed and hey presto it works.

I think it was almost certainly a user account permission or path 
problem - that can happen on any multi-user OS, as my near-50 years of 
computer experience will confirm.

Don 



From jon at hedgerows.org.uk  Tue Feb 16 11:58:50 2016
From: jon at hedgerows.org.uk (Jon Davies)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:58:50 +0000
Subject: Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <695E5807975E42CC81B7B385F64FE8C0@Fairstead09>
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net>
 <CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com> <55524992e2web@audiomisc.co.uk>
 <0EF19EB817A0406198CC75E80B29D8EF@userPC>
 <28865927-0CB8-40C2-9B11-794BF1B52762@hedgerows.org.uk>
 <558329CAAAC740E3AEA155E302402DC4@userPC>
 <695E5807975E42CC81B7B385F64FE8C0@Fairstead09>
Message-ID: <CAJEH5C0Vjtr7g_HU8MckiPW9WVR5peuq3im1HiXmgWFRYEj70A@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 February 2016 at 18:38, Don Grunbaum (Gmail)
<don.grunbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> I uninstalled and re-installed and hey presto it works.

most likely "hey presto it works" would have applied if you'd done
nothing and just tried again.  like I said, your problem coincided
with the BBC turning off things on their website which they've now
turned back on again.

But glad you're up and running.

Jon


From don.grunbaum at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 12:03:21 2016
From: don.grunbaum at gmail.com (Don Grunbaum (Gmail))
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:03:21 -0000
Subject: Windows 10
References: <CAJEH5C1+XjFiwy62YtYimwv+QAftqonbcmXSvBtDWEEtpYigsA@mail.gmail.com><56C0DE64.60506@talktalk.net><CANqy083Ym729HwCQcOC4huDZDcUvDt6xdpLBYt49hY153jsc1g@mail.gmail.com><56C1B129.3010309@soulman1949.com><55524992e2web@audiomisc.co.uk><0EF19EB817A0406198CC75E80B29D8EF@userPC><28865927-0CB8-40C2-9B11-794BF1B52762@hedgerows.org.uk><558329CAAAC740E3AEA155E302402DC4@userPC><695E5807975E42CC81B7B385F64FE8C0@Fairstead09>
 <CAJEH5C0Vjtr7g_HU8MckiPW9WVR5peuq3im1HiXmgWFRYEj70A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B512104CFDE4B13BFB8B446B2DBB74C@Fairstead09>

Thanks Jon, but I'm certain that it didn't relate to the BBC outage - 
that gave a totally different error on my existing XP machine.

On 10 the command wasn't even "trying" - command exit code 1 means 
that the command is unrecognised (according to Lord Google).

Don

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Davies" <jon at hedgerows.org.uk>
To: "Don Grunbaum (Gmail)" <don.grunbaum at gmail.com>
Cc: "get_iplayer" <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 10


> On 16 February 2016 at 18:38, Don Grunbaum (Gmail)
> <don.grunbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> I uninstalled and re-installed and hey presto it works.
>
> most likely "hey presto it works" would have applied if you'd done
> nothing and just tried again.  like I said, your problem coincided
> with the BBC turning off things on their website which they've now
> turned back on again.
>
> But glad you're up and running.
>
> Jon 



From peter.kirk at isauk.biz  Tue Feb 16 14:00:49 2016
From: peter.kirk at isauk.biz (Peter S Kirk)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:00:49 -0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>

On 16 Feb 2016 at 9:17, CJB CJB <chrisjbrady at gmail.com> wrote:

> To cater for the yoof market BBC 3 is going online only. However this
> is on the proviso that all ex-BBC 3 programmes are aired at least once
> on the 'mature' channels BBC 1 / 2 / 4.
> 
> This latter is to the disgust of older than average licence fee payers
> - there's too much 'yoof' stuff on ITV as it is - now the Beeb is
> following the trend. Huh - just how many times do you want to watch
> "Don't Tell The Bride'? But that's moving to Sky 1 later this year.
> 
> Anyway I've just done a GiP cache refresh for Radio and TV and the
> former was as long as usual, the latter quite short.
> 
> BTW I wonder if the recent outages were caused by the Beeb engineers
> removing BBC 3 content from the iPlayer servers? The moot point being
> whether BBC 3 online content will be available via iPlayer and
> get_iplayer?
> 
> Family Guy is moving to BBC 2 AND ITV 2!!! Yet American Dad seems to
> be left out.
> 
> CJB

I can count on the fingers of one hand how many BBC3 programmes I have 
watched in their entirety since it launched. Some seem interesting from TV 
guide blurb, but after 1-7 minutes it is change channel time.

BBC4 used to be offer a reasonable range of programmes, but last year or so 
it has degenerated to arty Yentob type rubbish.

Coming soon on BBC4 the Great British Paint By Numbers Another Renaissance 


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 17:26:26 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 01:26:26 +0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnN-JgD9tL-VuWt9A-E=XFqoTvb3RYdWE=e+g+N4fDLYJg@mail.gmail.com>

But I do miss Family Guy and American Dad which - despite all the
repeats - I used to enjoy watching most nights before retiring. My
broadband is well capped - too low for watching stuff online 'live' so
to speak - so I guess its over to a seedbox and torrenting. Strange
attitude of the Beeb to actually force viewers to have to do this
though. And I wonder if the BBC 3 yoof market can be ar$ed to watch
stuff 'live' too. Somehow with modern lives so ephemeral I doubt it.
Massive FAIL for the Beeb. CJB

On 16/02/2016, Peter S Kirk <peter.kirk at isauk.biz> wrote:
> On 16 Feb 2016 at 9:17, CJB CJB <chrisjbrady at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To cater for the yoof market BBC 3 is going online only. However this
>> is on the proviso that all ex-BBC 3 programmes are aired at least once
>> on the 'mature' channels BBC 1 / 2 / 4.
>>
>> This latter is to the disgust of older than average licence fee payers
>> - there's too much 'yoof' stuff on ITV as it is - now the Beeb is
>> following the trend. Huh - just how many times do you want to watch
>> "Don't Tell The Bride'? But that's moving to Sky 1 later this year.
>>
>> Anyway I've just done a GiP cache refresh for Radio and TV and the
>> former was as long as usual, the latter quite short.
>>
>> BTW I wonder if the recent outages were caused by the Beeb engineers
>> removing BBC 3 content from the iPlayer servers? The moot point being
>> whether BBC 3 online content will be available via iPlayer and
>> get_iplayer?
>>
>> Family Guy is moving to BBC 2 AND ITV 2!!! Yet American Dad seems to
>> be left out.
>>
>> CJB
>
> I can count on the fingers of one hand how many BBC3 programmes I have
> watched in their entirety since it launched. Some seem interesting from TV
> guide blurb, but after 1-7 minutes it is change channel time.
>
> BBC4 used to be offer a reasonable range of programmes, but last year or so
>
> it has degenerated to arty Yentob type rubbish.
>
> Coming soon on BBC4 the Great British Paint By Numbers Another Renaissance
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 17:59:40 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 01:59:40 +0000
Subject: Bug hopefully not affecting GiP
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnPm7dz=kr38ko7zGQ0QYCyFmFzK3qNGosxfVwn--1ftVQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35592916

Google's team detailed how a flaw in some commonly-used code could be
exploited in a way that allows remote access to a devices - be it a
computer, internet router, or other connected piece of equipment.

The code can also be within many of the so-called "building blocks" of
the web - programming languages such as PHP and Python are affected,
as well as systems used when logging in to sites or accessing email.

"It is now up to manufacturers, and the community behind the Linux
operating system, to issue the patch to affected software and devices
as soon as possible."

"Major systems like Windows or OS X are unaffected - but consumers
need to be more concerned about about smaller connected devices."


From artisticforge at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 19:00:49 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:00:49 -0600
Subject: Bug hopefully not affecting GiP
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnPm7dz=kr38ko7zGQ0QYCyFmFzK3qNGosxfVwn--1ftVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnPm7dz=kr38ko7zGQ0QYCyFmFzK3qNGosxfVwn--1ftVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANqy080JyBichzC9Hb7GfMtopd914UdGhtx8x_U7bNS2Mwz==w@mail.gmail.com>

hello

so I should watch the various Pi's so they do not become "eaten". ;-)

Raspberry Pi, Orange Pi, Banana Pi & Dutch Apple Pi.


On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:59 PM, CJB <chrisjbrady at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35592916
>
> Google's team detailed how a flaw in some commonly-used code could be
> exploited in a way that allows remote access to a devices - be it a
> computer, internet router, or other connected piece of equipment.
>
> The code can also be within many of the so-called "building blocks" of
> the web - programming languages such as PHP and Python are affected,
> as well as systems used when logging in to sites or accessing email.
>
> "It is now up to manufacturers, and the community behind the Linux
> operating system, to issue the patch to affected software and devices
> as soon as possible."
>
> "Major systems like Windows or OS X are unaffected - but consumers
> need to be more concerned about about smaller connected devices."
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer



-- 
terry l. ridder ><>


From roger at firedrake.org  Wed Feb 17 00:58:05 2016
From: roger at firedrake.org (Roger Bell_West)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 08:58:05 +0000
Subject: Bug hopefully not affecting GiP
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnPm7dz=kr38ko7zGQ0QYCyFmFzK3qNGosxfVwn--1ftVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnPm7dz=kr38ko7zGQ0QYCyFmFzK3qNGosxfVwn--1ftVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160217085805.GA17135@firedrake.org>

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 01:59:40AM +0000, CJB wrote:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35592916

If you have a Linux box, you should be keeping it updated; the patch
was available last night. A Raspberry Pi is a Linux box. As root:
aptitude update, aptitude upgrade.


From artisticforge at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 03:36:29 2016
From: artisticforge at gmail.com (artisticforge .)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 05:36:29 -0600
Subject: Bug hopefully not affecting GiP
In-Reply-To: <20160217085805.GA17135@firedrake.org>
References: <CAPZzCnPm7dz=kr38ko7zGQ0QYCyFmFzK3qNGosxfVwn--1ftVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20160217085805.GA17135@firedrake.org>
Message-ID: <CANqy0822J-sLQwrCwf+NBM+-uSVJ9gdW21b+wZHEZTpyBGuVgw@mail.gmail.com>

hello Roger;

I was joking!
I have been using Unix since AT&T Version 7 and Linux since Linus
started writing it.
All the Pi's are updated and running along happily.
All the Macs are updated
No Windows Virus Here !


On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Roger Bell_West <roger at firedrake.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 01:59:40AM +0000, CJB wrote:
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35592916
>
> If you have a Linux box, you should be keeping it updated; the patch
> was available last night. A Raspberry Pi is a Linux box. As root:
> aptitude update, aptitude upgrade.
>
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer



-- 
terry l. ridder ><>


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 03:58:30 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 11:58:30 +0000
Subject: Only 96kbps in UK
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnN5hmMXpJcPuAbW5WTHzigWF275woX7ywKv1FncaJosYw@mail.gmail.com>

Just downloaded this one in the UK for listening to on a long commute.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7

INFO: Trying flashaacstd1 mode to record radio: Music Extra - Back on Highway 61

Normally the default for  flashaacstd1 is 128kbps - this one is only 96kbps.

Is there a way of getting a higher bit rate please?

Thanks -  Chris B.


From s.rochford at imperial.ac.uk  Wed Feb 17 05:03:04 2016
From: s.rochford at imperial.ac.uk (Rochford, Steve)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:03:04 +0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnN-JgD9tL-VuWt9A-E=XFqoTvb3RYdWE=e+g+N4fDLYJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
 <CAPZzCnN-JgD9tL-VuWt9A-E=XFqoTvb3RYdWE=e+g+N4fDLYJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB4PR06MB52128765E1677D1B335FDF1B5AE0@DB4PR06MB521.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

> And I wonder if the BBC 3 yoof market can be ar$ed to watch stuff 'live' too. Somehow with modern lives so ephemeral I doubt it.
> Massive FAIL for the Beeb. CJB

Surely the reason that BBC3 is going on-line only is because younger people don't watch live TV but they do watch stuff on tablets, phones etc at a time that suits them. It wouldn't surprise me to find that live audiences for some of the BBC3 programmes were vanishingly small but if you include the on-line audience then you get good numbers.

Steve


From james at jls-radio.com  Wed Feb 17 05:05:09 2016
From: james at jls-radio.com (James Scholes)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:05:09 +0000
Subject: Only 96kbps in UK
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnN5hmMXpJcPuAbW5WTHzigWF275woX7ywKv1FncaJosYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnN5hmMXpJcPuAbW5WTHzigWF275woX7ywKv1FncaJosYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C47005.9060805@jls-radio.com>

CJB wrote:
> Normally the default for  flashaacstd1 is 128kbps - this one is only 96kbps.
> 
> Is there a way of getting a higher bit rate please?

Not for this particular program, no.  I've been through all the
available mediasets, 96K is the best bitrate on offer.
-- 
James Scholes
http://twitter.com/JamesScholes


From clanlaw at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 05:31:55 2016
From: clanlaw at gmail.com (Colin Law)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:31:55 +0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <DB4PR06MB52128765E1677D1B335FDF1B5AE0@DB4PR06MB521.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
 <CAPZzCnN-JgD9tL-VuWt9A-E=XFqoTvb3RYdWE=e+g+N4fDLYJg@mail.gmail.com>
 <DB4PR06MB52128765E1677D1B335FDF1B5AE0@DB4PR06MB521.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAL=0gLtT9tWsxDVx9n3NdB15Z88VwCoTxi5uvajSO5CNjS9-9Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 17 February 2016 at 13:03, Rochford, Steve <s.rochford at imperial.ac.uk> wrote:
>> And I wonder if the BBC 3 yoof market can be ar$ed to watch stuff 'live' too. Somehow with modern lives so ephemeral I doubt it.
>> Massive FAIL for the Beeb. CJB
>
> Surely the reason that BBC3 is going on-line only is because younger people don't watch live TV but they do watch stuff on tablets, phones etc at a time that suits them. It wouldn't surprise me to find that live audiences for some of the BBC3 programmes were vanishingly small but if you include the on-line audience then you get good numbers.

I believe the principle reason is that they need to cut costs.

Colin


From abuse at cabal.org.uk  Wed Feb 17 06:12:24 2016
From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:12:24 +0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160217141224.GA9181@mooli.org.uk>

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 09:17:17AM +0000, CJB wrote:
> To cater for the yoof market BBC 3 is going online only. However this is on
> the proviso that all ex-BBC 3 programmes are aired at least once on the
> 'mature' channels BBC 1 / 2 / 4.

Way back when the iPlayer was first mooted, that there was some concern that
content would go iPlayer-only and thus not be accessible to all licence-payers,
and so the BBC's Charter obliged the BBC to broadcast all programmes before
they were on iPlayer. Given that the original iPlayer was a nasty little
application that barely worked and had to be thrown away and done over, this
was a very wise decision.

So requiring a "repeat" on the remaining channels would appear to be how the
BBC are satisfying the letter of the charter. It's also a reasonable choice, as
a lot of linear TV watching still goes on.

A minor bonus is that BBC 1 and 2 are carried on some foreign cable networks,
and so this programming now becomes available to them, where before they were
prevented from watching it on iPlayer. (I assume the BBC are being paid for
this, but it seems unlikely that they're getting anything like ?145.50/year out
of a ?41/month quad-play subscription.)

> This latter is to the disgust of older than average licence fee payers -
> there's too much 'yoof' stuff on ITV as it is - now the Beeb is following the
> trend. Huh - just how many times do you want to watch "Don't Tell The Bride'?
> But that's moving to Sky 1 later this year.

The actual demographic target for BBC Three is 16-34, the upper end of which
isn't exactly youthful. The next band thus beginst at 35, which can argued be
be the onset of middle age, where one can be a miserable git banging on about
"yoof".

> Anyway I've just done a GiP cache refresh for Radio and TV and the former was
> as long as usual, the latter quite short.

I didn't notice TV being particularly short as it scrolled past on the screen,
but I tend not to pay much attention to it as I mostly only listen to Radio 4.
But Christmas is over, and it's just going to be months of filler and repeats
on TV until autumn rolls around again, so there will be fewer new PIDs to go
into your cache.

> BTW I wonder if the recent outages were caused by the Beeb engineers removing
> BBC 3 content from the iPlayer servers? The moot point being whether BBC 3
> online content will be available via iPlayer and get_iplayer?

It'll obviously be available via iPlayer but for now, you'll need to download
by PID. However, if the BBC didn't think it worth broadcasting, it's probably
not worth watching.

> Family Guy is moving to BBC 2 AND ITV 2!!! Yet American Dad seems to be left
> out.

If you're that bothered, just buy the DVDs and then you can watch it whenever
you want.



From david at cantrell.org.uk  Wed Feb 17 07:20:20 2016
From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:20:20 +0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnN-JgD9tL-VuWt9A-E=XFqoTvb3RYdWE=e+g+N4fDLYJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
 <CAPZzCnN-JgD9tL-VuWt9A-E=XFqoTvb3RYdWE=e+g+N4fDLYJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160217152019.GF24872@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 01:26:26AM +0000, CJB wrote:

> And I wonder if the BBC 3 yoof market can be ar$ed to watch
> stuff 'live' too.

Isn't that the whole point of putting the content online instead?

Surely they're not being so stupid as to just replace it with a stream
with a schedule?

-- 
David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig

    Vegetarian: n: a person who, due to malnutrition caused by
      poor lifestyle choices, is eight times more likely to
      catch TB than a normal person


From david at cantrell.org.uk  Wed Feb 17 07:18:15 2016
From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:18:15 +0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
Message-ID: <20160217151815.GE24872@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:00:49PM -0000, Peter S Kirk wrote:

> BBC4 used to be offer a reasonable range of programmes, but last year or so 
> it has degenerated to arty Yentob type rubbish.

Tonight's schedule:

World news today
Grand tours of Scotland
Horizon
The Bermuda triangle
The boy in the striped pyjamas
Horizon (again)
Timeshift
Dancing in the blitz
Good swan bad swan: dancing Swan Lake

they're doing a fucking awful job of "arty Yentob type rubbish" there.
Looks to me like a fairly decent selection of different genres of
informative Stuff with some decent quality entertainment as well. I
expect that if any of that is an utter stinker it'll be the Bermuda
triangle thing, which isn't exactly "arty Yentob type" stuff even if it
does turn out to be rubbish.

-- 
David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence

    Erudite is when you make a classical allusion to a
    feather.  Kinky is when you use the whole chicken.


From david at cantrell.org.uk  Wed Feb 17 07:24:22 2016
From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:24:22 +0000
Subject: Bug hopefully not affecting GiP
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnPm7dz=kr38ko7zGQ0QYCyFmFzK3qNGosxfVwn--1ftVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnPm7dz=kr38ko7zGQ0QYCyFmFzK3qNGosxfVwn--1ftVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160217152421.GG24872@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 01:59:40AM +0000, CJB wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35592916

get_iplayer won't be affected unless any of the hostnames that it
queries for are malicious. You'd have to be a paranoid nutter to worry
about the BBC and their hosting partners* doing that.

* and whoever runs your DNS server, etc

-- 
David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire

    I caught myself pulling grey hairs out of my beard.
    I'm definitely not going grey, but I am going vain.


From web at audiomisc.co.uk  Wed Feb 17 09:48:09 2016
From: web at audiomisc.co.uk (Jim Lesurf)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:48:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
Message-ID: <55536f14e5web@audiomisc.co.uk>

Apart from the recent hiccup, fetching TV programmes has been fine here.
However in the last few days I've had some unusual behaviour showing up
when trying to fetch sound radio programmes.

One aspect of this is *very* slow fetches. However I tend to get radio
programmes during the day when connections here tend to be slow. (I get TV
before 9am when things are quicker.) But I get particularly strange
behaviour from the items linked from

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vy2jd/episodes/player

I'm fetching using the 2.95 developmental version recommended for DASH a
while ago and using the options

--type=radio --mode-dashhigh --force --no-tag --pid <programme pid>

Some examples - eg the 'Leviathan' episode give me a partial file name that
includes an extra '.' in the name (in addition to .m4a.m4a at the end). And
fail to be 'cleaned' into the usual form. I can clean them using ffmpeg
-acodec copy after the event, though. But I'm guessing the stray '.' may be
confusing the routine cleanup?

On other occasions the fetch seems to restart because of a delay, but that
may be the sloooow connections.

However the 'DNA's third man' seems to have an odd programme pid. I can't
seem to get this at all.

Anyone able to diagnose/help? I'm trying to use DASH to get 320k versions.

Jim

-- 
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html



From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Wed Feb 17 10:51:29 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:51:29 +0200
Subject: Only 96kbps in UK
In-Reply-To: <56C47005.9060805@jls-radio.com>
Message-ID: <F389D14A4EB7441A922ED33A8509E913@vasonote>

On Wed Feb 17 13:05:09 BST 2016, James Scholes wrote: 

> Not for this particular program, no. 
> I've been through all the available mediasets, 
> 96K is the best bitrate on offer.

 BBC World Service does NOT impose geo-filtering; 
you get the same stream globally!
And they still stream only via RTMP or AppleHLS 
(no AdobeHDS, nor MPEG-DASH). 

 Some months ago, both the "Listen Live" & 
"On-Demand" WS streams were only @64kbps HE-AACv1, 
but they got, in autumn last year, the "Audio Factory"
treatment and are now both available at two qualities, 
96 & 48 kbps HE-AACv1!

Cheers, 
Vangelis.


From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Wed Feb 17 11:49:23 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:49:23 +0200
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <55536f14e5web@audiomisc.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1D98C654D16843F19F04AD8015EA713D@vasonote>

On Wed Feb 17 17:48:09 GMT 2016, Jim Lesurf wrote:

> --type=radio --mode-dashhigh --force --no-tag --pid <programme pid>
> (snip)
> However the 'DNA's third man' seems to have an odd programme pid.
> I can't seem to get this at all.
> Anyone able to diagnose/help?
> I'm trying to use DASH to get 320k versions.

Hi Jim :-)

 Not being able right now to troubleshoot
your other issues, but as far as 'DNA's third man'
(pid=b05zl1bj) is concerned, the beeb (for reasons
only known to them) has not made available this show
in either AdobeHDS nor MPEG-DASH streams.
you can check for yourself by visiting the following
mediaselector URL:

(where dash would've appeared - only RTMP currently)
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/version/2.0/mediaset/pc/vpid/b05zkzpq/atk/58f86c5048af43a13fc2186d0fc8d8d99aa16e7d/asn/1/
(where HLS is found)
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/version/2.0/mediaset/apple-ipad-hls/vpid/b05zkzpq/atk/58f86c5048af43a13fc2186d0fc8d8d99aa16e7d/asn/1/

So for that specific one, you'd have to settle
with --radiomode=flash (/hls) which will fetch
a 128kbps (AAC LC) m4a file.

When in doubt, please do:

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid <programme pid> -i | grep modes

for available modes for a given PID.

One more note:
2.95 dev is undocumented, unsupported
and undergoing frequent modifications,
especially into what affects HLS/DASH downloads.
Simply stating:

> using the 2.95 developmental version

is of little actual help to hopeful debuggers,
if you do not also quote the exact snapshot
(commit hash) of the main script (get_iplayer)
(of the develop branch) currently using
in your system.

Many regards,
Vangelis. 



From peter.kirk at isauk.biz  Wed Feb 17 13:19:39 2016
From: peter.kirk at isauk.biz (Peter S Kirk)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:19:39 -0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <20160217151815.GE24872@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>,
 <20160217151815.GE24872@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56C4E3EB.24633.95D2BC@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>

On 17 Feb 2016 at 15:18, David Cantrell David Cantrell 
<david at cantrell.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:00:49PM -0000, Peter S Kirk wrote:
> 
> > BBC4 used to be offer a reasonable range of programmes, but last year or so 
> > it has degenerated to arty Yentob type rubbish.
> 
> Tonight's schedule:
> 
> World news today
> Grand tours of Scotland
> Horizon
> The Bermuda triangle
> The boy in the striped pyjamas
> Horizon (again)
> Timeshift
> Dancing in the blitz
> Good swan bad swan: dancing Swan Lake
> 
> they're doing a f***ing awful job of "arty Yentob type rubbish" there.
> Looks to me like a fairly decent selection of different genres of
> informative Stuff with some decent quality entertainment as well. I
> expect that if any of that is an utter stinker it'll be the Bermuda
> triangle thing, which isn't exactly "arty Yentob type" stuff even if it
> does turn out to be rubbish.

Perhaps I should have included the word "New" in
>> a reasonable range of "New" programmes

Show some manners and do not post expletives.



Tonight's schedule after 1930 is all repeats
 
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From peter.kirk at isauk.biz  Wed Feb 17 15:25:21 2016
From: peter.kirk at isauk.biz (Peter S Kirk)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:25:21 -0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <CANn6+eJPxQepwEjmFu1AOJ5dNy+iOaQNZxONXCQMPbcZmxxHkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>,
 <CANn6+eJPxQepwEjmFu1AOJ5dNy+iOaQNZxONXCQMPbcZmxxHkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C50161.24417.108E990@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>

On 16 Feb 2016 at 22:40, Dennis Smith Dennis Smith <m1dlguk at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> Parliament TV has almost
> no viewers and continues to run without interruption.

Costs very little.

BBC3, BBC Alba and the many other local and national BBC radio cost a lot. 
imho Alba and all UK Radio except R4 and maybe R2 should be stopped and let 
private sector provide alternaives.

Sorry, this is OT GiP and should be on a GiP chat group.




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From david at cantrell.org.uk  Wed Feb 17 15:26:17 2016
From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:26:17 +0000
Subject: BBC 3 goes off-air tonight.
In-Reply-To: <56C4E3EB.24633.95D2BC@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
References: <CAPZzCnN__koh0mVFn=sfJMX8EWcm_FWCgmdxsEfWgH1u4OLSTQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <56C39C11.23041.B1A163@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>,
 <20160217151815.GE24872@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>
 <56C4E3EB.24633.95D2BC@peter.kirk.isauk.biz>
Message-ID: <56C50199.9080709@cantrell.org.uk>

On 2016-02-17, 21:19, Peter S Kirk wrote:

> Show some manners and do not post expletives.

Show some class and don't just dismiss stuff as "arty rubbish".

-- 
David Cantrell


From web at audiomisc.co.uk  Thu Feb 18 03:33:04 2016
From: web at audiomisc.co.uk (Jim web)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:33:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <1D98C654D16843F19F04AD8015EA713D@vasonote>
References: <55536f14e5web@audiomisc.co.uk>
 <1D98C654D16843F19F04AD8015EA713D@vasonote>
Message-ID: <5553d093e6web@audiomisc.co.uk>

In article <1D98C654D16843F19F04AD8015EA713D at vasonote>, Vangelis
forthnet
<northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr> wrote:

> One more note: 2.95 dev is undocumented, unsupported and undergoing
> frequent modifications, especially into what affects HLS/DASH downloads.
> Simply stating:

> > using the 2.95 developmental version

> is of little actual help to hopeful debuggers, if you do not also quote
> the exact snapshot (commit hash) of the main script (get_iplayer) (of
> the develop branch) currently using in your system.

OK, I'll note fuller details next time I try it. I'll report on the other
things you explained/suggested.

FWIW I did a comparision this morning between using hls for TV fetching and
DASH for radio. Did both before 9am when the downloads tend to be fast (and
don't count against my 'bandwidth' <sic> limit).

The TV fetching ran at about 500 MB per 3 min. i.e about 160 MB/min.

The radio ran at about 130 MB per *15*min. i.e. about 8.5 MB/min.

This seems a very large difference in transfer rates.

The DASH fetches a few weeks ago were *much* faster than now. And since the
above was early morning when TV fetching is still much faster I guess this
is something specific to the DASH. It doesn't seem to be down to my
connections getting slower during the day.

So far as I recall, the problem showed up some time *before* the recent BBC
'hiccup' when they were moving the deckchairs again.

I'll see if I can get the radio via HLS to compare.

Jim

-- 
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html



From web at audiomisc.co.uk  Thu Feb 18 04:04:59 2016
From: web at audiomisc.co.uk (Jim web)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 12:04:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <5553d093e6web@audiomisc.co.uk>
References: <55536f14e5web@audiomisc.co.uk>
 <1D98C654D16843F19F04AD8015EA713D@vasonote> <5553d093e6web@audiomisc.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5553d3800dweb@audiomisc.co.uk>

In article <5553d093e6web at audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim web
<web at audiomisc.co.uk>
wrote:

> > is of little actual help to hopeful debuggers, if you do not also
> > quote the exact snapshot (commit hash) of the main script
> > (get_iplayer) (of the develop branch) currently using in your system.

> OK, I'll note fuller details next time I try it. I'll report on the
> other things you explained/suggested.

I looked at the content of the get_iplayer file but could only see it
described as 2.95-dev. Afraid I'm not sure where I should look for more
specific details of the version. However I fetched and set it up on 9th Jan
if that helps at all.

I used the grep modes to explore the modes offerred by some radio pids and
did some experiments.

I noticed they listed dashhigh1 and dashhigh2 rather than dashhigh so I
tried them. My first try with dashhigh2 gave a much faster transfer. Got a
half-hour 320k file in a minute. That made me suspect my problem was with
omitting the numbered mode. But subsequence re-tests using different modes
gave apparently random speeds. i.e. sometimes the same mode spec only got,
say, 5% of the file in the time it would get the entire file on another
occasion (same pid).

So I'm wondering if something odd is happening to my connections that often
gets in the way of dash but *not* HLS. Otherwise, I'm puzzled...

Jim

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From computing at windcheetah.org.uk  Thu Feb 18 14:17:20 2016
From: computing at windcheetah.org.uk (Computing)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:17:20 +0000
Subject: Back on Highway 61
Message-ID: <56C642F0.1020905@windcheetah.org.uk>

Hi, I'm not very good at this, but can someone please tell me how to get 
the 'Music Extra' programs from http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7??

I've tried pid=p03dzcf7 and url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7 
but both have failed.

martin at bigbox1 ~ $ get_iplayer 
--url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7" --get
get_iplayer v2.94, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
   This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use 
--warranty.
   This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under 
certain
   conditions; use --conditions for details.

INFO: Episode-only pid detected
INFO: Trying pid: p03dzcf7 using type: tv
INFO: Trying to stream pid using type tv
INFO: pid not found in tv cache
Matches:

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of default version
INFO: No specified modes 
(flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) available for this 
programme with version 'default'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacmed
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO: No specified modes 
(flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) available for this 
programme with version 'original'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacmed
ERROR: Failed to record 'Music Extra - Back on Highway 61 (p03dzcf7)'
martin at bigbox1 ~ $ get_iplayer --pid=p03dzcf7 --get
get_iplayer v2.94, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
   This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use 
--warranty.
   This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under 
certain
   conditions; use --conditions for details.

INFO: Episode-only pid detected
INFO: Trying pid: p03dzcf7 using type: tv
INFO: Trying to stream pid using type tv
INFO: pid not found in tv cache
Matches:

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of default version
INFO: No specified modes 
(flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) available for this 
programme with version 'default'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacmed
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO: No specified modes 
(flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) available for this 
programme with version 'original'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacmed
ERROR: Failed to record 'Music Extra - Back on Highway 61 (p03dzcf7)'


Thanks loads
Martin


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From roger at tricker.co.uk  Thu Feb 18 14:32:40 2016
From: roger at tricker.co.uk (Roger Tricker)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:32:40 -0000
Subject: Back on Highway 61
In-Reply-To: <56C642F0.1020905@windcheetah.org.uk>
References: <56C642F0.1020905@windcheetah.org.uk>
Message-ID: <A076C53B3F6348FE8B8D37F200B8E5AC@userPC>

I just copied that url, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7 , and 
pasted it in in quick url box, ticked BBC Radio box and clicked on record. 
It seems to be downloaded just fine at 56mins 18 secs.
This is in mpeg4 format which I would convert to mp3.

Roger

-----Original Message----- 
From: Computing
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:17 PM
To: get_iplayer mailing list
Subject: Back on Highway 61

Hi, I'm not very good at this, but can someone please tell me how to get
the 'Music Extra' programs from http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7??

I've tried pid=p03dzcf7 and url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7
but both have failed.

martin at bigbox1 ~ $ get_iplayer
--url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7" --get
get_iplayer v2.94, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
   This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use
--warranty.
   This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under
certain
   conditions; use --conditions for details.

INFO: Episode-only pid detected
INFO: Trying pid: p03dzcf7 using type: tv
INFO: Trying to stream pid using type tv
INFO: pid not found in tv cache
Matches:

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of default version
INFO: No specified modes
(flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) available for this
programme with version 'default'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacmed
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO: No specified modes
(flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) available for this
programme with version 'original'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacmed
ERROR: Failed to record 'Music Extra - Back on Highway 61 (p03dzcf7)'
martin at bigbox1 ~ $ get_iplayer --pid=p03dzcf7 --get
get_iplayer v2.94, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
   This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use
--warranty.
   This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under
certain
   conditions; use --conditions for details.

INFO: Episode-only pid detected
INFO: Trying pid: p03dzcf7 using type: tv
INFO: Trying to stream pid using type tv
INFO: pid not found in tv cache
Matches:

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of default version
INFO: No specified modes
(flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) available for this
programme with version 'default'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacmed
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO: No specified modes
(flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,flashlow) available for this
programme with version 'original'
INFO: Try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,hlsaacmed
ERROR: Failed to record 'Music Extra - Back on Highway 61 (p03dzcf7)'


Thanks loads
Martin


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From mail at john-eason.co.uk  Thu Feb 18 14:49:00 2016
From: mail at john-eason.co.uk (J K.Eason)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:49 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: Back on Highway 61
In-Reply-To: <56C642F0.1020905@windcheetah.org.uk>
Message-ID: <memo.20160218224950.7188C@jeason.cix.co.uk>

You need to specify the type as radio. If you're using the command line
it's:
get_iplayer --type=radio --url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7 

Regards
       John
       
> From:* Computing <computing at windcheetah.org.uk>
> *To:* get_iplayer mailing list <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
> *Date:* Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:17:20 +0000
> 
> Hi, I'm not very good at this, but can someone please tell me how 
> to get the 'Music Extra' programs from 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7??
> 
> I've tried pid=p03dzcf7 and 
> url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7 but both have failed.
<stuff deleted>
> ERROR: Failed to record 'Music Extra - Back on Highway 61 
> (p03dzcf7)'
> 
> 
> Thanks loads
> Martin


From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Thu Feb 18 15:02:13 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 01:02:13 +0200
Subject: Back on Highway 61
In-Reply-To: <56C642F0.1020905@windcheetah.org.uk>
Message-ID: <FF87F0653FFE4F6F9B9B595661E746C3@vasonote>

On Thu Feb 18 22:17:20 GMT 2016, Computing wrote:

> I've tried pid=p03dzcf7 and
> url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7
> but both have failed.

Hi Martin :-)

 This is a radio programme, so with GiP 2.94
you should've included "--type=radio" into your commands...

 This "non-issue" was already discussed in the following
Oct 2015 thread:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2015-October/008323.html

 This specific show does seem to be a popular one,
already mentioned in:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-February/008741.html

NB: "--pid" / "--url" do not require "--get "("-g"), they initiate
recording on their own already...

Try in the terminal:

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p03dzcf7 --radiomode=flashaacstd (/hlsaacmed)

As alredy exlpained, due to this being on WS, either flashaacstd / hlsaacmed
will fetch an M4A audio file @96kbps HE-AACv1.
If , like Roger Tricker, you want an MP3 file, add "--mp3" into your command
(but in that case your ffmpeg binary should've been configured with
--enable-libmp3lame).

Happy listening,
cheers,
Vangelis. 



From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Thu Feb 18 17:50:18 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 03:50:18 +0200
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <5553d093e6web@audiomisc.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2C200530D85044F3971052FA3FD01818@vasonote>

On Thu Feb 18 12:04:59 GMT 2016, Jim web wrote:

> OK, I'll note fuller details next time I try it.
> (snip)
> I looked at the content of the get_iplayer file
> but could only see it described as 2.95-dev.
> Afraid I'm not sure where I should look for more
> specific details of the version.
> However I fetched and set it up on 9th Jan
> if that helps at all.

 ... On Windows I am doing ad hoc downloads
of specific revisions (commits) of the main perl
script (get_iplayer) in the develop branch,
as can be found at:

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commits/develop/get_iplayer

then rename downloaded script to include the
commit hash. E.g., if I downloaded

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/232df93d14bb27e4a69b28c01c97603de3de5bf3/get_iplayer

I would rename it to

get_iplayer-295dev-g232df93.pl

place it inside the GiP installation directory,
then launch the Get_iPlayer shortcut and invoke
the dev script as

perl get_iplayer-295dev-g232df93.pl <options>

(I know you're not on Windows, just mentioning
this as a tip for Win users...).
This way, I know exactly which snapshot of the
dev version I am testing...

If you just fetched HEAD from the develop branch
on the 9th of Jan, then it is a safe bet to
assume it was the snapshot with commit hash

d0d2587e8c4dafd3cea07c354e6ab8aa12286740

(https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/d0d2587 ,
"Add shoutcast to mode sort") which was pushed
on 20160109013036Z; the next commit was not pushed
until 20160110192128Z. So you should be on

get_iplayer-295dev-gd0d2587

If you know basic git, then the following
most informative blog post should help you
identify the git revision you are currently
running:

http://blog.endpoint.com/2014/11/finding-specific-git-commit-at-point-in.html

On Thu Feb 18 11:33:04 GMT 2016, Jim web wrote:

> I did a comparision this morning
> between using hls for TV fetching
> and DASH for radio.

 With respect, this is a classic case
of apples and oranges. Some facts:

[Do not compare GiP 2.94 and 2.95dev.
The former uses FFmpeg for HLS, the latter
uses by default for both HLS & DASH a native
pure perl downloader (can switch to FFmpeg
for HLS only, as FFmpeg does not do DASH).]

If on 2.95dev, comparisons between HLS TV
and HLS/DASH radio lack a common ground, because:

1. There are various HLS based tvmodes; the
"older" ones which are being served from
Akamai CDN only (hostname "cp401489-vh.akamaihd.net")
and the newer Video Factory ones, which are
being served from either Akamai (hostname
"vod-hls-uk-live.edgesuite.net") or Limelight
CDN (hostname "vod-hls-uk-live.bbcfmt.vo.llnwd.net").

2. HLS radio-on-demand is being served only
from Akamai CDN, but from a different hostname
("cp401492-vh.akamaihd.net") to the one used for TV.

3. Likewise, comparisons between HLS TV and DASH
radio or between HLS radio and DASH radio are
indeed a moot point, since DASH radio is being
served (as you've found out) by either Akamai
CDN (hostname "vod-dash-uk-live.edgesuite.net")
or Limelight CDN (hostname
"vod-dash-uk-live.bbcfmt.vo.llnwd.net").

 Different CDNs, different servers for the
same CDN (with different configurations/
traffic loads / distances from your physical
location amongst them), add to the above
undefined variables pertaining to your own
internet connection, you easily get the
picture that the achieved download speed
at any given time is the result of a
stochastic process...

 You may continue to perform speed measurements,
if you so wish, but IMHO they bear little
statistical value (but then again I wasn't
that good in Statistics/Quantum Mechanics
in my Uni days, long gone they are...).

Kind regards,
Vangelis. 



From web at audiomisc.co.uk  Fri Feb 19 01:44:36 2016
From: web at audiomisc.co.uk (Jim web)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 09:44:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <2C200530D85044F3971052FA3FD01818@vasonote>
References: <5553d093e6web@audiomisc.co.uk>
 <2C200530D85044F3971052FA3FD01818@vasonote>
Message-ID: <55544a7bc3web@audiomisc.co.uk>

In article <2C200530D85044F3971052FA3FD01818 at vasonote>, Vangelis
forthnet
<northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr> wrote:
> On Thu Feb 18 12:04:59 GMT 2016, Jim web wrote:
[snip version deductions/info]


> On Thu Feb 18 11:33:04 GMT 2016, Jim web wrote:

> > I did a comparision this morning between using hls for TV fetching and
> > DASH for radio.

>  With respect, this is a classic case of apples and oranges. Some facts:

> [Do not compare GiP 2.94 and 2.95dev. The former uses FFmpeg for HLS,
> the latter uses by default for both HLS & DASH a native pure perl
> downloader (can switch to FFmpeg for HLS only, as FFmpeg does not do
> DASH).]

I'm afraid you may have missed the actual point of the comparision I was
reporting. Sorry if my explanations weren't clear.

The key point was that I did comparisions *before 9am* to see if that
cleared up the puzzlingly slooow fetchings via DASH. *Which had only been
occurring in recent days*. I wanted to see if the fetching was fast at that
time.

This was to see if I found evidence to support concluding that for some
reason DASH radio fetching was being particularly slowed by the intensity
or nature of other net traffic *during the day*. *Not* to compare DASH wth
HLS.

Underlaying that was the point that DASH radio fetching *had* been far
faster in the past than recently, at almost all times of day. So I was
testing what happened *at that time of day* to see if the DASH radio
fetching was fast at that time in the morning.

*If* I found a reliable pattern where dash fetching of radio was fast
before 9am but slow during the rest of the day I could have concluded the
recent problems were down to 'traffic' and nothing to do with using dash
per se. (TV fetching is very slow most of the day.) But the results I got
that morning were slow.

My next tests were to see if dashhigh / dashhigh1 / dashhigh2 made any
difference. But so far as I could tell, the variations were random and had
nothing to do with the choice.

This morning before 9am, though, I got the 'old' behaviour. I used dashhigh
and got a half-hour 320k file in less than one minute. I don't yet know if
that was simply luck or things have improved.

The puzzle here is that - until a couple of weeks ago - dashhigh radio
always ran quickly and I could get something like an hour long 320k
programme in about a minute or less. However more recently it has been
taking a *lot* longer, and often failed. What I still don't know, is why.
It is as if some kind of net activity is crowding it out for me.

FWIW I have for years experienced the behaviour where net speeds are much
slower during the day and evening than in the early morning. This applies
to essentially all 'real' activites, despite a claimed speed when I do the
BT test of about 70 megs. One reason I use get-iplayer is that trying to
watch the HDTV via the standard BBC interface is impossible during the day
or evenings. The fetching rate can't quite keep up. But before 9am I can
often get fetch rates around 350 frames/sec. This morning I got 450
frames/sec at about 7:30am. In the evenings even a reliable 25 frames/sec
would be difficult to obtain!

Jim

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From computing at windcheetah.org.uk  Fri Feb 19 03:43:25 2016
From: computing at windcheetah.org.uk (Computing)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 11:43:25 +0000
Subject: Back on Highway 61
In-Reply-To: <memo.20160218224950.7188C@jeason.cix.co.uk>
References: <memo.20160218224950.7188C@jeason.cix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56C6FFDD.2090802@windcheetah.org.uk>

Thanks everyone, it works a treat, but when I search for "Music Extra" 
it does not find anything. Is that a problem or do I have to go and pick 
out the single programs??

Thanks again
Martin

On 18/02/16 22:49, J K.Eason wrote:
> You need to specify the type as radio. If you're using the command line
> it's:
> get_iplayer --type=radio --url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7
>
> Regards
>         John
>
>> From:* Computing <computing at windcheetah.org.uk>
>> *To:* get_iplayer mailing list <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
>> *Date:* Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:17:20 +0000
>>
>> Hi, I'm not very good at this, but can someone please tell me how
>> to get the 'Music Extra' programs from
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7??
>>
>> I've tried pid=p03dzcf7 and
>> url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7 but both have failed.
> <stuff deleted>
>> ERROR: Failed to record 'Music Extra - Back on Highway 61
>> (p03dzcf7)'
>>
>>
>> Thanks loads
>> Martin
>
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> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>

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From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 05:26:40 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:26:40 +0000
Subject: Back on Highway 61
In-Reply-To: <56C6FFDD.2090802@windcheetah.org.uk>
References: <memo.20160218224950.7188C@jeason.cix.co.uk>
 <56C6FFDD.2090802@windcheetah.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnOXoxUuUq5j7=WrOV3R390b4SL0C7s4PHbxRqMErOwnog@mail.gmail.com>

I used command line with >get_iplayer --pid=p03dzcf7 --type=radio

CJB

On 19/02/2016, Computing <computing at windcheetah.org.uk> wrote:
> Thanks everyone, it works a treat, but when I search for "Music Extra"
> it does not find anything. Is that a problem or do I have to go and pick
> out the single programs??
>
> Thanks again
> Martin
>
> On 18/02/16 22:49, J K.Eason wrote:
>> You need to specify the type as radio. If you're using the command line
>> it's:
>> get_iplayer --type=radio --url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7
>>
>> Regards
>>         John
>>
>>> From:* Computing <computing at windcheetah.org.uk>
>>> *To:* get_iplayer mailing list <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
>>> *Date:* Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:17:20 +0000
>>>
>>> Hi, I'm not very good at this, but can someone please tell me how
>>> to get the 'Music Extra' programs from
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7??
>>>
>>> I've tried pid=p03dzcf7 and
>>> url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7 but both have failed.
>> <stuff deleted>
>>> ERROR: Failed to record 'Music Extra - Back on Highway 61
>>> (p03dzcf7)'
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks loads
>>> Martin
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>>
>
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From computing at windcheetah.org.uk  Fri Feb 19 05:32:30 2016
From: computing at windcheetah.org.uk (Computing)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:32:30 +0000
Subject: Back on Highway 61
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnOXoxUuUq5j7=WrOV3R390b4SL0C7s4PHbxRqMErOwnog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <memo.20160218224950.7188C@jeason.cix.co.uk>
 <56C6FFDD.2090802@windcheetah.org.uk>
 <CAPZzCnOXoxUuUq5j7=WrOV3R390b4SL0C7s4PHbxRqMErOwnog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C7196E.6000208@windcheetah.org.uk>

Thanks everyone, case closed!!!
Martin

On 19/02/16 13:26, CJB wrote:
> I used command line with >get_iplayer --pid=p03dzcf7 --type=radio
>
> CJB
>
> On 19/02/2016, Computing <computing at windcheetah.org.uk> wrote:
>> Thanks everyone, it works a treat, but when I search for "Music Extra"
>> it does not find anything. Is that a problem or do I have to go and pick
>> out the single programs??
>>
>> Thanks again
>> Martin
>>
>> On 18/02/16 22:49, J K.Eason wrote:
>>> You need to specify the type as radio. If you're using the command line
>>> it's:
>>> get_iplayer --type=radio --url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>          John
>>>
>>>> From:* Computing <computing at windcheetah.org.uk>
>>>> *To:* get_iplayer mailing list <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
>>>> *Date:* Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:17:20 +0000
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I'm not very good at this, but can someone please tell me how
>>>> to get the 'Music Extra' programs from
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7??
>>>>
>>>> I've tried pid=p03dzcf7 and
>>>> url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dzcf7 but both have failed.
>>> <stuff deleted>
>>>> ERROR: Failed to record 'Music Extra - Back on Highway 61
>>>> (p03dzcf7)'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks loads
>>>> Martin
>>>
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From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Fri Feb 19 12:27:29 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:27:29 +0200
Subject: Back on Highway 61
In-Reply-To: <56C7196E.6000208@windcheetah.org.uk>
Message-ID: <3FEFF28E3D3D4BA3864FA3AA160D4170@vasonote>

On Fri Feb 19 13:32:30 GMT 2016, Computing wrote:

> Thanks everyone, case closed!!!

 Hello again, Martin!

 I don't want to assume the part
of the "fat lady", but one of your queries
remained unanswered:

> when I search for "Music Extra"
> it does not find anything.
> Is that a problem or
> do I have to go and pick
> out the single programs??

"Back on Highway 61" is the title of the
episode with pid=p03dzcf7. Even if you
force-refreshed your radio cache:

get_iplayer --type=radio -f --force

you wouldn't have found this specific episode
inside it, since it was first broadcast on
Sat 30 Jan 2016 16:06GMT, i.e. more
than 7 days ago - this is as far back as the cache
of GiP 2.94 can go...

OTOH, "Music Extra" is a brand name
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0380g6h
with brand pid=p0380g6h.
To perform a search for brand, in theory
you should've used the --fields switch,

get_iplayer --type=radio --fields=brand "Music Extra"

but my radio.cache does not contain a "brand"
column, so even that is not possible, I think...

However, if numerous episodes of the brand
"Music Extra" were available for download,
then issuing:

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p0380g6h -i

would have yielded:
=========================
INFO: Brand pid detected
INFO:  Brand: 'Music Extra' (p0380g6h)
(snip)
INFO:    Series: <None>
INFO:      Episode 'Back on Highway 61' (p03dzcf7)
INFO:      Episode 'John Lennon: Verbatim' (p039nlb9)
INFO:      Episode 'Lead Belly - A Secret History of Rock and Roll' 
(p0380gkk)
INFO:      Episode 'Malaco Records Story' (p03g9g5w)
(snip)
INFO: Please run the command again using one of the above episode PIDs or to 
get
 all programmes add the --pid-recursive option
=========================

and the above would have led you to:

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p0380g6h --pid-recursive

At the time of this writing, only one (p03dzcf7)
episode is available:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0380g6h/episodes/player
hence

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p0380g6h --pid-recursive

is identical in terms of episodes fetched with

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p03dzcf7

mentioned already in this thread...

If another episode of the brand is
broadcast in future, it'll remain in
the radio cache (and hence be picked up
by a normal search) for 7 days after
initial broadcast (or possibly more,
if repeated...).

Hope ithe above clears it for you...

Cheers,
Vangelis. 



From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Fri Feb 19 14:48:21 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 00:48:21 +0200
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <55544a7bc3web@audiomisc.co.uk>
Message-ID: <484D01F0599D402A85D46D8FEEF324F4@vasonote>

On Fri Feb 19 09:44:36 GMT 2016, Jim web wrote:

> I'm afraid you may have missed
> the actual point of the comparison
> I was reporting.
> Sorry if my explanations weren't clear.

... You are probably right, I may have, yes;
certainly your sentence I quoted led me
into my wrong assumption ;-(
 Many thanks for your follow-up reply,
which did make things crystal clear for me...

Please then disregard my otherwise well-meant
comments...

Sadly, I am legally cut-off from dashhigh (320kbps),
only dashmed available here (96kbps), so cannot
share my experience from fetching the former...

Most unfortunately, following commit:

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/fff0de5

[Removed "dash" modes, use DASH for hlshigh (on-demand radio only)]

ruined dashmed (96kbps) for overseas users, that being the highest AOD
bitrate one could legally (without employing geo-blocking circumvention
methods...) get from a non-UK location.
96kbps (via AdobeHDS/MPEG-DASH) is what currently BBC offers
to overseas listeners (for National Radio), RTMP streams (flashlow)
and AppleHLS (hlslow) deliver only 48kbps here...

Using a somewhat older snapshot of 2.95dev,

perl get_iplayer-295dev-g488ab9b.pl --pid=b0705t7k --modes=dashmed1 --force

I get (19/02/2016, 21:50 GMT) :
=============================================
INFO: Recorded: 75.02MB in 00:06:19 at  1622kbps to
(snip)
size=   76721kB time=01:48:16.00 bitrate=  96.8kbits/s
=============================================

which is not that high a speed, but it's fine by me...
Specifying dashmed2 increases speed only by a
narrow margin... (~ 1800kbps).

OTOH, if I choose HLS (hls=hlslow=hlslow1, 48kbps only here)

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-g488ab9b.pl --pid=b0705t7k --modes=hls --force --overwrite

I get (22:20 GMT):
=============================================
INFO: Recorded: 41.23MB in 00:00:51 at  6622kbps to
(snip)
size=   38658kB time=01:48:16.00 bitrate=  48.8kbits/s
=============================================

So, from my physical location, at around the same
time of day, AppleHLS streams are downloaded
4x as fast as the MPEG-DASH ones. So yes, DASH
is slower (despite being what I want, since it's the only means
of getting the 96kbps quality BBC legally provides here).

My tests use the overseas CDNs/servers
(Limelight dash: "aod-dash-ww-live.bbcfmt.vo.llnwd.net",
 Akamai dash: "aod-dash-ww-live.edgesuite.net",
 Akamai HLS: "cp401492-vh.akamaihd.net"), so they
probably shouldn't be used to infer similarities
with the UK ones...

Regards 



From j at mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Feb 20 01:03:47 2016
From: j at mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk (J)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 11:03:47 +0200
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <484D01F0599D402A85D46D8FEEF324F4@vasonote>
References: <484D01F0599D402A85D46D8FEEF324F4@vasonote>
Message-ID: <56C82BF3.8060504@mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>

Vangelis forthnet wrote:

<snip>
>
> So, from my physical location, at around the same
> time of day, AppleHLS streams are downloaded
> 4x as fast as the MPEG-DASH ones. So yes, DASH
> is slower (despite being what I want, since it's the only means
> of getting the 96kbps quality BBC legally provides here).
>
<snip>

Thanks for, among other things, keeping the list advised of the evolving 
situation regarding content legitimately available to non-UK locations 
and access to it via GiP. I await 2.95final to discover how things work out.

Possibly OT for GiP but, taking a wider view, I don't recollect reading 
about changes to the way podcasts are made available by the BBC and note 
that the most recent R4 Friday Night News Quiz is reported by MediaInfo 
as being 128Kbps mp3 with a sampling rate of 44.1KHz (the latter being, 
for contemporary productions, now associated only with Shoutcast and The 
Archers in my mind).

It may make no practical difference for speech radio if one uses 
aactomp3 anyway to output an mp3 file via GiP but I was wondering where 
the generation of podcasts fits into the bigger picture and a clue would 
be welcome

J



From computing at windcheetah.org.uk  Sat Feb 20 03:37:07 2016
From: computing at windcheetah.org.uk (Computing)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 11:37:07 +0000
Subject: Back on Highway 61
In-Reply-To: <3FEFF28E3D3D4BA3864FA3AA160D4170@vasonote>
References: <3FEFF28E3D3D4BA3864FA3AA160D4170@vasonote>
Message-ID: <56C84FE3.60502@windcheetah.org.uk>

Thanks loads, a little tricky for me, but I'll have a look at the 
"brand" thing and see what happens.
Martin

On 19/02/16 20:27, Vangelis forthnet wrote:
> On Fri Feb 19 13:32:30 GMT 2016, Computing wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone, case closed!!!
>
> Hello again, Martin!
>
> I don't want to assume the part
> of the "fat lady", but one of your queries
> remained unanswered:
>
>> when I search for "Music Extra"
>> it does not find anything.
>> Is that a problem or
>> do I have to go and pick
>> out the single programs??
>
> "Back on Highway 61" is the title of the
> episode with pid=p03dzcf7. Even if you
> force-refreshed your radio cache:
>
> get_iplayer --type=radio -f --force
>
> you wouldn't have found this specific episode
> inside it, since it was first broadcast on
> Sat 30 Jan 2016 16:06GMT, i.e. more
> than 7 days ago - this is as far back as the cache
> of GiP 2.94 can go...
>
> OTOH, "Music Extra" is a brand name
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0380g6h
> with brand pid=p0380g6h.
> To perform a search for brand, in theory
> you should've used the --fields switch,
>
> get_iplayer --type=radio --fields=brand "Music Extra"
>
> but my radio.cache does not contain a "brand"
> column, so even that is not possible, I think...
>
> However, if numerous episodes of the brand
> "Music Extra" were available for download,
> then issuing:
>
> get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p0380g6h -i
>
> would have yielded:
> =========================
> INFO: Brand pid detected
> INFO:  Brand: 'Music Extra' (p0380g6h)
> (snip)
> INFO:    Series: <None>
> INFO:      Episode 'Back on Highway 61' (p03dzcf7)
> INFO:      Episode 'John Lennon: Verbatim' (p039nlb9)
> INFO:      Episode 'Lead Belly - A Secret History of Rock and Roll'
> (p0380gkk)
> INFO:      Episode 'Malaco Records Story' (p03g9g5w)
> (snip)
> INFO: Please run the command again using one of the above episode PIDs
> or to get
> all programmes add the --pid-recursive option
> =========================
>
> and the above would have led you to:
>
> get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p0380g6h --pid-recursive
>
> At the time of this writing, only one (p03dzcf7)
> episode is available:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0380g6h/episodes/player
> hence
>
> get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p0380g6h --pid-recursive
>
> is identical in terms of episodes fetched with
>
> get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=p03dzcf7
>
> mentioned already in this thread...
>
> If another episode of the brand is
> broadcast in future, it'll remain in
> the radio cache (and hence be picked up
> by a normal search) for 7 days after
> initial broadcast (or possibly more,
> if repeated...).
>
> Hope ithe above clears it for you...
>
> Cheers,
> Vangelis.
>
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From alan at soulman1949.com  Sat Feb 20 07:18:12 2016
From: alan at soulman1949.com (Alan Milewczyk)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 23:18:12 +0800
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <2C200530D85044F3971052FA3FD01818@vasonote>
References: <2C200530D85044F3971052FA3FD01818@vasonote>
Message-ID: <56C883B4.5070101@soulman1949.com>

Brilliant explanation Vangelis, thank you. I recall once using one of 
the commit git files when the BBC were causing us some pain (maybe a 
year ago now) but couldn't for the life of me remember how I'd done it. 
I'll file these instructions in a special file for future reference.

Kind Regards from the sunny Philippines (only 11 days before I leave 
here for the UK)

Alan

On 19/02/2016 09:50, Vangelis forthnet wrote:
> On Thu Feb 18 12:04:59 GMT 2016, Jim web wrote:
>
>> OK, I'll note fuller details next time I try it.
>> (snip)
>> I looked at the content of the get_iplayer file
>> but could only see it described as 2.95-dev.
>> Afraid I'm not sure where I should look for more
>> specific details of the version.
>> However I fetched and set it up on 9th Jan
>> if that helps at all.
>
> ... On Windows I am doing ad hoc downloads
> of specific revisions (commits) of the main perl
> script (get_iplayer) in the develop branch,
> as can be found at:
>
> https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commits/develop/get_iplayer
>
> then rename downloaded script to include the
> commit hash. E.g., if I downloaded
>



From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Sat Feb 20 11:21:32 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:21:32 +0200
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <56C82BF3.8060504@mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EA08698A072B4837AA51CC07A6C637B2@vasonote>

On Sat Feb 20 09:03:47 GMT 2016, J wrote: 

> I don't recollect reading about changes 
> to the way podcasts are made available by the BBC
> (snip)
> as being 128Kbps mp3 with a sampling rate of 44.1KHz
> (snip)
> where the generation of podcasts fits into the bigger picture
> and a clue would be welcome

 Hi J 
 Pardon me for being thick, but I don't quite get 
the gist of your query.
 First thing is I don't fetch podcasts that often, 
so not really the person to ask :-(
 With "--type=podcast", GiP 2.94 fetches MP3 audio files 
in almost the state they have been already prepared by the beeb; 
if you also add "--no-tag" to the command, they should be 
identical to the files you get by downloading (e.g. via browser) 
from the BBC podcast pages directly.
GiP 2.95dev has been already patched so as not to "mess" 
with the original ID3 metadata.

 If you ask about the bitrate of the files, it has been 128kbps 
(CBR) for many podcast series for a long while now. 
I do recall in the past that 128kbps (Joint Stereo) was only 
reserved for files with music content, while "talk-radio" 
would only come as 64kbps-mono, but you are now 
more likely to get 128kbps irrespective of content. 
64kbps-mono is still being used, at least for 
World Service offerings...
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dq87h/episodes/downloads)

 As for the SR of 44.1kHz, I remember asking our own "Jim web" 
some months ago why it was still used for shoutcast MP3 live radio, 
his "connections" told him it was to afford compatibility with as 
many "legacy" devices as possible. I assume the same reason 
could be argued for MP3 podcast files...

> if one uses aactomp3 anyway 
> to output an mp3 file via GiP

Unless I am bound by hardware limitations, 
I tend to avoid transcoding like the plague :-)

Regards 


From web at audiomisc.co.uk  Sun Feb 21 01:48:47 2016
From: web at audiomisc.co.uk (Jim web)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 09:48:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <EA08698A072B4837AA51CC07A6C637B2@vasonote>
References: <56C82BF3.8060504@mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>
 <EA08698A072B4837AA51CC07A6C637B2@vasonote>
Message-ID: <55555289cdweb@audiomisc.co.uk>

In article <EA08698A072B4837AA51CC07A6C637B2 at vasonote>, Vangelis
forthnet
<northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr> wrote:

>  As for the SR of 44.1kHz, I remember asking our own "Jim web" some
> months ago why it was still used for shoutcast MP3 live radio, his
> "connections" told him it was to afford compatibility with as many
> "legacy" devices as possible. I assume the same reason could be argued
> for MP3 podcast files...

FWIW I've not yet really investigated 'podcasts' as a distinct species.
I've recently started wondering about them, though, due to the habit of the
producers of some programs (e.g. 'Feedback' and 'More or Less') to provide
a 'shortened' version when I fetch using the standard pid. 

The behaviour seems to arise due to the BBC poking 5-min inserts into the
live broadcasts for things like the 'Listening Project'. I can understand
why they means the conventional broadcast will be shorter. But not why this
means the material is removed from the main iplayer version. Seems to
happen even for the version shown at the 'repeat' time when it was *not*
cut down. The first broadcast and repeat share the same pid and both tend
to be shortened.

AIUI 44.1k was used in the past because the older versions of Flash were
unable to cope with 48k. That limit is now gone for most of us. But maybe
there is still a conversion in the path for mp3 for shoutcast / legacy
reasons.

I'll see if I can get some info on the above as it has been puzzling me.

BTW more recently my DASH radio fetching has become very fast. [1]So I
assume the variations I was getting are down to the unknowns of net
transfer routes, traffic loadings, etc, etc. Not a gip problem as such.

Jim

[1] Got the 3 hr "Williams on the Wireless" program at 320k in less than a
minute this morning! Very fast indeed. I'm hoping it may include "Post
Mortem". If it does, I'd recommend people try it. Quite unlike what people
may expect!

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From j at mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb 21 04:46:42 2016
From: j at mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk (J)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 14:46:42 +0200
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <EA08698A072B4837AA51CC07A6C637B2@vasonote>
References: <EA08698A072B4837AA51CC07A6C637B2@vasonote>
Message-ID: <56C9B1B2.20108@mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>

Vangelis forthnet wrote:
> On Sat Feb 20 09:03:47 GMT 2016, J wrote:
>> I don't recollect reading about changes to the way podcasts are made
>> available by the BBC
>> (snip)
>> as being 128Kbps mp3 with a sampling rate of 44.1KHz
>> (snip)
>> where the generation of podcasts fits into the bigger picture
>> and a clue would be welcome
>
> Hi J Pardon me for being thick, but I don't quite get the gist of your
> query.
> First thing is I don't fetch podcasts that often, so not really the
> person to ask :-(
> With "--type=podcast", GiP 2.94 fetches MP3 audio files in almost the
> state they have been already prepared by the beeb; if you also add
> "--no-tag" to the command, they should be identical to the files you get
> by downloading (e.g. via browser) from the BBC podcast pages directly.
> GiP 2.95dev has been already patched so as not to "mess" with the
> original ID3 metadata.
>

Apologies for appearing to be asking specifically yourself - and for my 
poor phrasing. My opening remarks were addressed to you but then a 
miscellany of musings fell from my brain to the keyboard.

I'd mentioned them possibly being OT as I hadn't been considering the 
fetching of podcasts via GiP but by direct download and was wondering 
about the SR difference between a directly-downloaded podcast and the 
mp3 file with which one ends up if downloading the broadcast program via 
GiP. The one I had just looked at was R4's Friday Night Comedy:
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p03k30nd.mp3

>
<snip>
> As for the SR of 44.1kHz, I remember asking our own "Jim web" some
> months ago why it was still used for shoutcast MP3 live radio, his
> "connections" told him it was to afford compatibility with as many
> "legacy" devices as possible. I assume the same reason could be argued
> for MP3 podcast files...
>

Yes, I guess the argument applies here also. I'd remembered Shoutcast 
compatibility being given as a reason for 44.1 still being evident and 
also remember mention of The Archers as being a special case because of 
their sound effects library but I hadn't expected podcasts to be 44.1 
and can't picture where 'podcast generation' takes place in the chain. 
That "open.live" part of the URL may provide some sort of clue 
suggesting linkage with live radio.

Podcasts usually/often have an intro and outro to identify the 
series/brand with a 'topped & tailed' version of the programme and 
sometimes elements cut out - presumably because of rights issues as 
those elements often seem to include music.

As I'd said, not really GiP-related but just something that had struck me.

J



From web at audiomisc.co.uk  Sun Feb 21 05:10:34 2016
From: web at audiomisc.co.uk (Jim web)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 13:10:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <56C9B1B2.20108@mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>
References: <EA08698A072B4837AA51CC07A6C637B2@vasonote>
 <56C9B1B2.20108@mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <555565030cweb@audiomisc.co.uk>

In article <56C9B1B2.20108 at mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>, J
<j at mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Podcasts usually/often have an intro and outro to identify the
> series/brand with a 'topped & tailed' version of the programme and
> sometimes elements cut out - presumably because of rights issues as
> those elements often seem to include music.

A few of the recent 320k aac fetches I've got in recent weeks start with a
comment about them being a 'podcast'. I've put this down to lack of
organisation somewhere. But it goes beside the odd behaviour earlier.
Someone somewhere may have thought this all though and ensured consistent
behaviour.

Jim

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From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 08:40:19 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 16:40:19 +0000
Subject: BBC Three
Message-ID: <CAPZzCnM5ofXK6wFdPajb2qoNhJHs7jbCXHm=ow4tBsLBVF9YTg@mail.gmail.com>

After a TV cache refresh there are still entries for BBC Three programmes.

Added: 2153:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 4, BBC Three, default
Added: 2154:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 5, BBC Three, default
Added: 2155:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 6, BBC Three, default

and others.

Are these left over from the switch off?

Chris B.


From tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk  Sun Feb 21 09:43:47 2016
From: tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk (tellyaddict)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:43:47 +0100
Subject: BBC Three
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnM5ofXK6wFdPajb2qoNhJHs7jbCXHm=ow4tBsLBVF9YTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZzCnM5ofXK6wFdPajb2qoNhJHs7jbCXHm=ow4tBsLBVF9YTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <trinity-348ef0e0-abd0-47fc-a309-ac7b4a3cb9fe-1456076627699@3capp-mailcom-bs14>

Yes and no. Anything broadcast before the switch off will still be cached for the usual 7 days, BUT BBC Three is actually still broadcasting programmes between 2 and 4am and these are also appearing on iPlayer for their 30 day availability. Those 3 episodes of Uncle for example were broadcast between 2.30 and 4am on Saturday 20th February.

> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM
> From: CJB <chrisjbrady at gmail.com>
> To: get_iplayer-request <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
> Subject: BBC Three
>
> After a TV cache refresh there are still entries for BBC Three programmes.
> 
> Added: 2153:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 4, BBC Three, default
> Added: 2154:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 5, BBC Three, default
> Added: 2155:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 6, BBC Three, default
> 
> and others.
> 
> Are these left over from the switch off?
> 
> Chris B.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> get_iplayer mailing list
> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
> 


From chrisjbrady at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 13:37:36 2016
From: chrisjbrady at gmail.com (CJB)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:37:36 +0000
Subject: BBC Three
In-Reply-To: <trinity-348ef0e0-abd0-47fc-a309-ac7b4a3cb9fe-1456076627699@3capp-mailcom-bs14>
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Hi - huh didn't realise they are still airing programmes between 2 and
4 am. Using the Windows PVM I did a search for channel contains
'three' - there were 142 listed. CJB

On 21/02/2016, tellyaddict <tellyaddict21 at gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes and no. Anything broadcast before the switch off will still be cached
> for the usual 7 days, BUT BBC Three is actually still broadcasting
> programmes between 2 and 4am and these are also appearing on iPlayer for
> their 30 day availability. Those 3 episodes of Uncle for example were
> broadcast between 2.30 and 4am on Saturday 20th February.
>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM
>> From: CJB <chrisjbrady at gmail.com>
>> To: get_iplayer-request <get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org>
>> Subject: BBC Three
>>
>> After a TV cache refresh there are still entries for BBC Three
>> programmes.
>>
>> Added: 2153:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 4, BBC Three, default
>> Added: 2154:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 5, BBC Three, default
>> Added: 2155:	Uncle: Series 1 - Episode 6, BBC Three, default
>>
>> and others.
>>
>> Are these left over from the switch off?
>>
>> Chris B.
>>
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From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Sun Feb 21 15:15:27 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 01:15:27 +0200
Subject: BBC Three
In-Reply-To: <CAPZzCnO6AwGnHdj+10p+HOpWMkWfjy-F2=gTxHO8PUoHO6EPZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F6E925E24C84EB98E9E3F922F27D432@vasonote>

On Sun Feb 21 19:37:36 GMT 2016, CJB wrote:

> Using the Windows PVM I did a search for
> channel contains 'three' - there were 142 listed.

... That number mustn't be correct.
I force-refreshed the TV cache, then I
searched for "three", search in "Channel"
and programme type (ticked) "BBC TV"
(BBC Radio unticked): 90 entries were found.

 The oldest in my tv.cache (added 6d 9h ago)
(Comedy Feeds: Series 4: Radges, pid=p02rn2wn)
was last time on TV on Wed 10 Feb 2016 02:40
(as per http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02rn2wn/broadcasts )
so it shouldn't still be inside the TV cache
in the first place (???).

 The most recent entry to my tv.cache is
Don't Tell the Bride: Series 10: Bridezillas & Bromances,
pid=b06vhllw, last on TV today (22 Feb 2016 03:00),
as shown by:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vhllw/broadcasts
So that does confirm tellyaddict's statement:

> BBC Three is actually still broadcasting
> programmes between 2 and 4am
> and these are also appearing on iPlayer

and with a little search I arrived at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/programmes/schedules/this_week
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/programmes/schedules/next_week

So, despite http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/schedules/bbcthree
redirecting you to http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree ,
the schedules feeds (which GiP uses) do have content;
so perhaps the following 2.95dev commit

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/ac6e830

was a tad premature...
And using a 2.95dev snapshot previous to git-ac6e830

perl 
get_iplayer-295dev-g488ab9b.pl --type=livetv --pid=bbc_three --force --modes=hvflow2

does produce a recording (BBC Three is off air),
which means that although there's no more an
odfficial iplayer "Watch Live" page
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcthree
the feed itself is still alive...
The night owls amongst you may check if it is still
actually possible to record (with GiP) the "vampire"
zone 0200-0400 !
BTW, GiP 2.94 is broken when it comes to Live TV
(due to changes on the beeb's end), so don't try that!

Regards



From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Sun Feb 21 16:48:57 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 02:48:57 +0200
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <56C9B1B2.20108@mailsorter.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FFA8491E60DF4E60A11809C6CE0FEBA2@vasonote>

On Sun Feb 21 12:46:42 BST 2016, J wrote:

> and was wondering about the SR difference between
> a directly-downloaded podcast and the mp3 file
> with which one ends up
> if downloading the broadcast program via GiP.

Of course you do imply adding the --(aacto)mp3 switch;
the code for that does not touch the SR value:

http://git.infradead.org/get_iplayer.git/blob/e8e81942394eed7e0f63cf977737054a5a22530a:/get_iplayer#l10341

so the original 48kHz value already present in the flv
(for flashaac mode) or ts (for hlsaac mode) file is
carried over to the MP3 transcode...

> The one I had just looked at
> was R4's Friday Night Comedy:
> http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p03k30nd.mp3

... And you can fetch that via GiP, issuing:

get_iplayer --type=podcast --fields=episode "The News Quiz 19 Feb 
16" -g --no-tag

> That "open.live" part of the URL
> may provide some sort of clue
> suggesting linkage with live radio.

Deceptive as it may appear,
"open.live.bbc.co.uk" is just the hostname
of the server for the "mediaselector/5" API
used throughout the iplayer infrastructure to
derive available streams (live or on-demand,
audio or video) from any given set of
mediaset+vpid ("mediaset" targets
client devices).

Best regards. 



From northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr  Sun Feb 21 17:41:30 2016
From: northmedia1 at the.forthnet.gr (Vangelis forthnet)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 03:41:30 +0200
Subject: Odd fetching of radio
In-Reply-To: <55555289cdweb@audiomisc.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E17D20E0938E429A9C10E8E070860F66@vasonote>

On Sun Feb 21 09:48:47 GMT 2016, Jim web wrote: 

> due to the habit of the producers of some programs 
> (e.g. 'Feedback' and 'More or Less') to provide
> a 'shortened' version when I fetch using the standard pid. 
> (snip)
> The first broadcast and repeat share the same pid 
> and both tend to be shortened.

FWIW, you are now able to pinpoint "shortened" 
downloaded versions because of 2.95dev commit: 

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/commit/348bbea

prior to that commit (and in GiP 2.94), 
those would just show up as "default" in 
the file-prefix.

 The fact you end up with a "shortened" version 
probably means no version with longer duration 
still exists, because GiP tries by default to first fetch 
the longer one - you'd have to provide speficic 
pids for further investigation...

 More often than not, both "original" & "shortened" 
versions do exist at the same time, e.g. 
in the following episode of "More or Less -  
Selfies, Sugar Daddies and Dodgy Surveys", 
pid=b06zvbwz, if you query: 

get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b06zvbwz -i | grep versions 

=> (with 2.95dev) versions:       original,shortened

If for some reason you are after the "shortened" one, 
indicate so via "--versions=shortened" in your command...

Best regards, 
Vangelis.


From mike.ralphson at gmx.com  Sun Feb 21 18:01:27 2016
From: mike.ralphson at gmx.com (Mike Ralphson)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 03:01:27 +0100
Subject: BBC feed outages
Message-ID: <trinity-2b7a2ea9-d87d-44e4-9ef2-effc91184270-1456106487849@3capp-mailcom-bs07>

Re the message:

"This service is currently undergoing a period of downtime for essential maintenance. Please be advised that the programme information service which is currently available at this URL will soon be replaced by a new service from the BBC, at a new set of URLs. Please contact the following email address for further information: 'programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk'"

Has anyone contacted the address programmes-devel at lists.forge.bbc.co.uk and had any kind of reply?

Cheers, Mike


From ajebay at errichel.co.uk  Mon Feb 22 09:24:14 2016
From: ajebay at errichel.co.uk (Budge)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:24:14 +0000
Subject: Loss of Thumbnails Help Requested!
Message-ID: <56CB443E.6090505@errichel.co.uk>

I am in process of changing computer hardware and have just rebuilt my
GiP setup on the new machine, or so I thought.  Cron pvr job ran fine 
last night but the radio download of The News Quiz is not showing a 
thumbnail on my player.

Please could somebody remind me of the essential components for getting
the thumbnails incorporated into file metadata.
Budge


From ajebay at errichel.co.uk  Mon Feb 22 09:43:47 2016
From: ajebay at errichel.co.uk (Budge)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:43:47 +0000
Subject: Loss of Thumbnails Help Requested!
In-Reply-To: <56CB443E.6090505@errichel.co.uk>
References: <56CB443E.6090505@errichel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56CB48D3.3040607@errichel.co.uk>

On 22/02/16 17:24, Budge wrote:
> I am in process of changing computer hardware and have just rebuilt my
> GiP setup on the new machine, or so I thought.  Cron pvr job ran fine
> last night but the radio download of The News Quiz is not showing a
> thumbnail on my player.
>
> Please could somebody remind me of the essential components for getting
> the thumbnails incorporated into file metadata.
> Budge
>
> _______________________________________________
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> get_iplayer at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
>
Sorry all, posted too soon.  I think the problem was the new 
installation of AP had not been made executable!!!
Budge


From anthony at bifb.org  Mon Feb 29 11:30:00 2016
From: anthony at bifb.org (Anthony Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 14:30:00 -0500
Subject: subtitles
Message-ID: <20160229193000.GA16439@teapot.bifb.org>

I download the subtitles when available. I end up with 2 files

	programme.mp4
	programme.srt

which works with mplayer, etc.. I then use ffmpeg to combine the two
into one MP4 file. Something like:

 ffmpeg -n -i programme.mp4 -f srt -i programme.srt \
	-c:s mov_text -metadata:s:s:0 \
	language=eng -c:v copy -c:a copy new.mp4

However is there an get_iplayer option to do this automatically?

			Anthony.


