Thank You

[Alan Milewczyk]

I don't disagree with anything you say, Nick. I'm just taking the 
devil's advocate position from the viewpoint of film studios, BBC etc 
etc, i.e. the media producers.

But yes, we currently have an untenable King Canute situation - the 
waves of technology have been destroying previous generations for many 
years, technology and its ramifications can't be halted or uninvented!

It's interesting how in the old days, many successful recording artists 
did well with royalties but nowadays as so little music is bought as CD, 
their earnings are maintained by going on tour and doing their live 
appearances. In the 60s and 70s we didn't have large stadiums in the UK 
- we only had theatres/cinemas with seating of two or three thousand at 
the most. Nowadays the larger cities have venues of ten times that size 
now. However, the old studio business model is increasingly harder to 
justify so heaven knows how new talent can be nurtured and remunerated.

Alan


On 04/11/2014 15:58, Nick wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 09:54:47 +0000
> Alan Milewczyk <alan at soulman1949.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm amazed at these discussions.
> I wonder how many BBC people are actually subscribed to the list. And
> I'm not angling for a list admin to look, it is private. But there's
> gotta be some lovies watching, at least :)
>
>> The issue for the BBC is one of the protection of intellectual
>> property. Yes, the problem has been around since recording devices
>> became available but since the advent of digital technology it has
>> spiralled out of all belief as a problem to the copyright holder.
> Technology has moved on and what protections made sense are now much
> more questionable. In the past ownership was granted and then
> generally money was made off distribution. Tech has nailed much of the
> value provided by those that used to find artists, record them, and get
> that into our hands on bits of plastic.
>
> The protections have gotten so huge too over the decades of IP
> industries that I think UK copyright is life of the author plus 70
> years! Contemporary culture stands to largely be locked up for
> generations.
>
> There is problem for non-copyright holders too.
>
> I dunno how to reward artists and producers for their labours, but the
> system we have now and where it looks to be going is IMHO increasingly
> unrealistic.
>
>> Digital gives us the unprecedented ability to make a perfect copy,
>> not a lossy copy as with tape (whether audio or video). It enables us
>> to make copies faster than ever before, even without ever "holding"
>> that medium in one's hands.
> Mills made hand spinning obsolete, it enabled perfect copies to made
> faster than ever before, etc..
>
> I am no bloody libertarian though, I hate to see people's livelihoods
> vanish. So when I say I dunno how to reward people I mean it! I hate to
> play a blunt economic card when livings are at stake.
>
>> Don't get me wrong, I am a massive fan of get_iplayer, but I think
>> protestations of the sort described in these threads will fall on
>> deaf ears. Just be thankful we have people with the technical ability
>> to keep up with whatever barriers are put our way!
> Which is the irony of the enforcement of OTT IP. The restrictions won't
> ever truly work - even with some closed network, server and client
> system the end-user could still video the screen. And how much is a
> phone these days that can video something? :)
>
> But if you see that barriers aren't worth it because things have
> changed, then perhaps you can see why I think the system driving desire
> for those barriers might need changing?
>
> Nick
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